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Just tuned in and it looked like Hiura sung and missed at three 95+ fastballs, two of which were meat. Maybe this major league hitting thing isn't as easy as some make it out to be.

Bump. I have to believe his current numbers would put him in the top 20% of starting MLB outfielders. If you were going to hate on him when the numbers were bad, time to wear it when he moves back closer to his mean performance.

Mat Gamel flamed out after he tore his knee up - twice - he never got a chance at extended MLB playing time to make that final adjustment before he got hurt. That's not a prospect busting out of MLB because he wasn't good enough. And Gamel was never considered half the hitter Braun was as a prospect. Gamel put up good minor league numbers after taking awhile to develop as a HS draftee picked in the 4th round. However, generational hitting talents don't ever last until the 4th round. Saying Gamel was the best offensive prospect through their system since Braun came up doesn't make them comparable - it just means the Brewers have been bad at drafting/developing offense. Hiura is compared to Braun as a hitter because both were largely considered having the best hit tool in their respective drafts - and Hiura has done nothing but reinforce that projection since. I remember some of your earlier posts poo-pooing Hiura due to a below exceptional two month stretch in AA last season immediately following a thumb/wrist injury, so I know where your head's at. Maybe you're too young to remember and jumped on the Brewer train after the team turned things around starting in 2005, but I'm almost certain Gamel ranked top 20 in the prospect rankings in BA and Prospectus which means he was more highly thought of by folks that actually scout baseball and are not message board, MILB box score following fans. And why does draft position matter when you rake? Also, Gamel's high rankings were in spite of his highly shaky glovework at 3rd. I guess the moral of the story is that there's no sense in bringing facts into a good argument when you're dealing with Brewer fans that historically tree hug their prospects. I hope I'm proven wrong but I remember a couple of guys holding the fort on Logan Shafer back in the day, too. Hiura is likely not a transformation prospect in the mold of Trout, that much i know for sure. We're in a win now window. Make the moves if they're there. Offense is not the issue.

We need the best hitting prospect since Braun more than another quality pitcher. Our pitching is emerging as a strength of this team, when Anderson back and jimmy back, look out. The best hitting prospect since Ryan Braun was probably Mat Gamel. Baseball Prospectus had him as one of the top 40 busts since they've been ranking prospects a few years ago and that alone shows you prospects are no sure thing.

.272 with a really mediocre OPS and below average defense at AA. See how I just pulled into the lead? Your welcome for the advice. Happy to lend a hand where its needed.

I think anyone thinking Huira is going to "be a stud from day 1" is going to be very disappointed when they have to park the love bus and accept he'll have the same growing pains most prospects do. I look at his MILB numbers and see a guy who is a solid prospect but by no means a "can't miss star." Hell, a lot of the "can't miss stars" miss. My best advice would be to temper the enthusiasm and be pleasantly surprised. Anything short of super stardom for some here will be an epic fail.

Carlos Gomez?

I think the numbers for Hiura are low, I think he's a .300/.350/.460 hitter. Dubon's a little tougher, but I'd say, .270/.320/.385 (with 25-30 swipes). I'm not sure I have this straight. You think Hiura, who hit .270 at AA last year, is immediately a .300 hitter for the big league club? Additionally, you think Dubon coming off major knee surgery, could swipe 25-30 bags his first year off surgery? If so, I'll have whatever it is that you're having.

Seems like a fringe guy. Given the lack of regard many here have for Zach Davies (who's stuff is better), I don't see this guy with his stuff being a prospect most would embrace.

Can we stop comparing Hiura to a multi year all star and former league MVP? I get the excitement around him but the way people here talk, you'd think he as a top 5 prospect in all of the major leagues. He's not and you're setting yourself up for huge disappointment if you think he is. Be patient and let him develop for another year.

Disagree. As long as bringing him back doesn't harm in-season flexibility, why does $10M matter? Get over the money. Based on what I've seen, it likely goes to paying players or into crappy concession/park "improvements" which don't help the on-field product at all. Let him settle in for a full year here and let's see what he's got. He's flashed a high ceiling. You can't give up on those type of players in a small market.

Going back on these trade and signing threads is a huge reason I come to this site. Everyone has their opinions and rightfully so but it's interesting to see people dig their heels in so adamantly on some of these topics and then disappear from the thread altogether when they're proven wrong. This thread is particularly interesting given both Hughes and JJ have both worked out so well as FA's.

Never a doubt!

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The walks are still a bit high for my liking as he's performing right to the scouting reports coming out but I will say this. If he can make the necessary adjustments to cut the walks down, the 2016 draft is starting to look like a potentially franchise changer with Ray, Feliciano (still alot to prove but young), Webb, Burnes and Brown in the first 5 rounds.

Interesting because I've also seen that pitchers are throwing less strikes and getting more swings out of the zone than every before. In fact, and don't quote me on this, I thought I saw that Patrick Corbin is having a career season in spite of throwing only something along the lines of 30% of his pitches in the strike zone.

In 2011, I scalped tickets off the third base line entrance for less than face about 5 minutes before game 1 of the NLDS against Arizona. There were plenty floating around the lot that year for the duration of the playoffs (I went to every home game). Your best bet is to wait just up until game time if you're OK with maybe missing a few pitches and also with scalping. I've been doing it for 15+ years and have never payed more than face value for any game, playoffs and opening day (every year since 1998) included.

Perez and his incredible plate discipline on display there.

That would be great if Villar wasn’t outplaying Schoop by a big margin. The trade was made as much for next year as it was this year. I keep hearing how Hiura is this big, "can't miss" prospect but anyone with eyes can see that a .260ish hitter in AA needs at least another year riding on buses. Frankly, I'm starting to wonder if there's more hope and hype with him than hits.

Trent Grisham.

Problem I see though is now they will have Murphy and Bryant to finish the season. Something they didn't have the last month (minus the last week for Murphy). I honestly don't see them having a rough time in those games. Maybe but Bryant won't be Bryant and Maddon has acknowledged that in interviews. He'll be much more of a singles/walks hitter than a extra base guy and that's from the horse's mouth.

Well the Brewers did sign 32 year old Cain to a five year contract that ends the same year that Yelich's contract ends in 2022. Certainly too early to think extension now but will have to see where the Brewers are in a couple of years and where they are in the window to compete for the playoffs. If it looks like a rebuild is on the horizon may not want to extend as an extension may reduce his trade value. If things are looking good then consider extending another few years through his age 33 season. For me, this is the best point in the thread. Not only would an extension be costly for us, it reduces his value significantly on the trade market. Small market teams like the Brewers need to maintain future flexibility and generally speaking, make trades that enhance long term viability. Extending Yelich eliminates both of those possibilities.

Based on last off season and given his age at the end of his current contract, are you sure?

I've been on it lately. Aguilar is flat out lazy. He doesn't run hard anywhere. So, a team full of "try hard," Nate Orf types is your preference? Good luck with that.

If Davies is truly 100% healthy, I'd take the 2017 version of Zach Davies over anyone currently in the Brewers' rotation. We're talking about a nearly 3 WAR starting pitcher who won 17 games with a 3.9 ERA last year. I don't agree how you put this, but agree with your general point. Davies on top of his game would be a big addition to the rotation. But is that the Davies we would be getting? And we're headed into September, so no time for experiments. That said, I think you need to take risks to get over the top, especially a team like the Brewers. Maybe let him start, and if he just doesn't have it be prepared for Miley or Peralta to take over early. Here's a nice list of ifs for you. If it's the good Davies, if Anderson can keep a few more balls in the park, and if we see more of the untouchable Peralta the rotation looks much better. Chacin and Guerra are pretty much known quantities. Chacin has pitched well all year, and Guerra will generally keep you in games. I would roll with Anderson, Chacin, Davies, Guerra, Peralta and use Miley in the pen, as they could really use a lefty there. You can always put Miley back in the rotation if someone is injured or awful. Somewhat limited sample size, but Miley has been the best of the bunch this year. Why would he go to the pen given his production as a starter? Besides, Peralta is coming up on what likely will be his innings cap for the year (130.1IP this year, 120IP last year).