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OK - I know this is "crazy town" talk, but who says no to this trade deal: Brewers get: Giancarlo Stanton and some $$ to cover at least some of his ridiculous remaining contract Marlins get: Domingo Santana, Corbin Burnes, Isan Diaz and Marcos Diplan Is that too much or too little to give up for Stanton? Or, do we want to stay completely away from Stanton due to that contract? I certainly wouldn't mind having his 60 HR bat in the middle of our lineup though.
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I hear you. Let's face it, the solidification of our bullpen after we got rid of Feliz and then later after we picked up Swarzak and brought up Hader, is what kept us in the race all year. So, I'm not inclined to move Knebel if our plan is to supplement all of our young talent next year and make another playoff run. However, I do think you always have to be open to offers that might fall on your table. If a team were to give Stearns a legit TOR type SP prospect and one other Top 100 type guy, I think you'd have to consider it, right? And the same holds true with Santana. I'm not sure what his value is this offseason - especially since he is limited defensively, but I'm guessing it's pretty high. Just like Knebel though, I wouldn't give him up for anything less than two Top 100 prospects, and another lottery ticket 18 year old.
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Not only 108 years, but in the 3rd largest market in baseball and in a sport where large market teams have an extreme financial advantage over all of the mid to small market teams. I mean, you have to be a historically inept franchise to not win a championship in 108 years!
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I would absolutely listen to any trade offers that you might get for Knebel and Santana this offseason. I'm by no means saying we should trade either guy - but I would certainly listen and be willing to pull the trigger if someone comes in and knocks our socks off. I know Knebel had an amazing year this year, and may very well be on the verge of becoming a perennial top 5 closer in baseball. However, relievers are just so volatile - and who's to say that he doesn't turn into Thornburg next April and come down with a season ending injury, especially with the high usage this past season? If Thornburg can bring back Shaw, Dubon, Pennington and that lottery ticket prospect, just imagine what Knebel might command on the open market this offseason? And, I might be even more reluctant to move Santana given his age and production this year. But, I feel like we need to move one of our OF's this offseason, and the two guys that would have the most value on the trade market would be Santana and Brinson. Again though - you'd have to start a package for Santana with two Top 100 type prospects if I'm even going to answer the phone (If I'm Stearns). I'm guessing both of these guys are Brewers in 2018, but it'll definitely be interesting to see if anything big happens on the trade front.
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Labrum tears are usually a year, similar to an ACL, I posted a link the other day. I'm going to assume that until they report something more optimistic... and then I probably won't believe them anyway. Very few pitchers come back from Labrum tears and are what they were before the injury. Does it matter at all that it was a partial tear and not a full tear of the labrum? I realize that none of us are probably doctors, but I guess I'm hoping that the fact that it is a partial tear makes his odds much better at coming back to full strength - and early enough to contribute next year. Man, does anything scream "Brewers" more than losing our best pitcher due to a dive back into first base. Terrible. If the worst case scenario plays out here and he never returns to the pitcher that he became this year, then that is a really big setback for this franchise in my opinion. Jimmy was on his way to becoming a real solid TOR type guy with the way he's pitched this year, and at the very least he would have provided us with a big trade haul in the next year or two - or better yet, maybe a deep playoff push. Boy, I hope we get good news on his shoulder and he'll be able to return next year like the guy we've seen here in 2017.
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That second surgery after the TJ surgery seems to be where you start talking about a guy not coming back. That 10 pct of guys who don't make it back. But that's just total speculation. I was hoping to hear he was on a limited and supervised throwing routine down in Arizona in the hopes that, like you said, he could come back next year. But the silence on him is a bit disconcerting(though not rare). We have Taylor Williams to look at as a guy who missed two years and is now back pitching with is velocity back to what it was and putting up exceptional numbers. Yeah, that's why I wonder if the Brewers are just going to put kid gloves on this guy and ease him back slowly so that he's hopefully ready to go come next spring. At this point, he'd be a huge bonus to an already deep group of pitching prospects in our system. And, I'm sure they'll probably really limit his innings next year if he is able to come back and pitch (a la Williams this year). Would be big though if we can get Williams, Houser, Kirby and Devin Williams all back to near 100% next year.
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Good question, and unfortunately I don't have an answer. I wonder though if they are just taking it really slow with him right now, in hopes that they can get him back to 100% health come next spring? He missed all of last year with TJ surgery, and then had another elbow injury back in May as he was working his way back. I just wonder if they aren't targeting next spring with him and treating him with kid gloves right now. At this stage, anything we get out of Kirby at the big league level (down the road) would be a very pleasant surprise. For his sake and ours, I hope that he can come back stronger than ever and can put the injuries behind him. However, this guy seems like a guy that may never be able to stay fully healthy.
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Do we know what Derby's long term projection is? Is he a better prospect to be a reliever, or a starter? I see that we started him off in the bullpen this year, but then switched him back to a starter 1/2 way during the year. Was this just out of need, or do we like him better as a starter? He seems to have had success doing both this year, after a really rough first year in our system last year. Is he a hard thrower, or does he have a good mix of pitches to keep guys off balance? Just curious if anyone has more insight on his stuff and his potential. I don't know if we've ever had this many intriguing arms in our system, at least in the 20+ years that I've been following it pretty closely.
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Any more moves before end of August?
Madhawk23 replied to Madhawk23's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Great call on someone like Nicasio. I just don't trust Barnes enough these days to feel real comfortable when he comes into a 7th inning close game situation. It would be great to add another high leverage relief arm before the 8/31 deadline, and someone that could rotate in with Swarzak to keep him a bit more fresh down the stretch run here. -
Now that we had a successful west coast road trip, does anyone see any possibilities that we make any final moves before the 8/31 waiver wire/postseason roster deadline? Are there any other CF's out there worth pursuing that could spell Broxton from time to time - or was Granderson the only possibility at that position? Any surprise moves out there for the Crew?
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Thanks for sharing that article from last year. That's at least encouraging to hear that he was hitting 95 in that game he was being scouted. As the article stated, you can't have enough of guys like Jordan - as at the very least they may provide some good trade value down the road. And who knows, maybe he continues this upward trend and actually makes his way into the big league rotation in a couple of years as a solid back end of the rotation starter for us.
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Yeah - I figured that he probably wasn't a pure stuff type guy, but I guess I was hoping that maybe the Brewers tweaked something in his mechanics that might have allowed him to pick up a couple of mph on the fastball - similar to what they've been able to do with some of their other pitching prospects (like Burnes). Will be interesting to see if Jordan continues to put up impressive numbers as he moves up to AA next year and AAA beyond that. At the very least, could be a good trade chip for us in future years as a back of the rotation type guy.
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Sorry if I may have missed this in a previous thread, but do we have any first hand accounts of this guy's stuff? The kid just continues to put up really solid numbers on the mound, and seems to be improving each and every year in our system. I'm know that he's not a TOR type guy (otherwise he'd have more hype), but I guess I'm also hoping that this isn't just one of those soft-tossing righties either. Can anyone provide any insight on what type of pitching repertoire this guy brings to the table?
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Of course they are, but not to the extent that Broxton is. I do believe there IS some value in how you get to those year end numbers. .191 .276 .324 March/April .067/.176/.133 15 games in July before being sent down. I think the valley's are too much for a team that wants to be competitive. I don't expect everyone to be Travis Shaw like consistent, but you can't play months at a time with a guy who puts up pitcher like numbers. At least he's playing great D in CF while he's struggling as badly as he does. I guess this is why I'm wondering if he wouldn't be a good trade asset this offseason - IF he were to finish this season on a hot run to get his overall numbers up as I had mentioned in the first post. Would another team overlook these dark valleys, and instead just focus on the fact that they are getting a CF that plays good defense and is a legit 25/25 guy? With that said though, we have no idea if Lewis Brinson will ever turn into a 25/25 guy for us? We all hope that he does, but at this stage he's completely unproven at the MLB level. If (and a big IF at that) Broxton finishes strong and turns himself into a trade-able asset this offseason, it'll be interesting to see what DS and company do in clearing up an OF spot for Brinson.
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Man...I knew that I shouldn't have gotten too excited about a 9 run lead with this Reds pitching staff. Wow, are they bad.
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Man, this is so enjoyable watching the Cubs get pummeled! Keep pouring it on today Cincinnati! Any reports yet on the Lester injury? Did it look serious?
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Good points all the way around. I guess I'm just wondering though what type of value a CF with those type of numbers would garner if he was put on the trade market? Could we expect a Top 100 prospect (preferably a pitching prospect) in a package back for him, or is that just wishful thinking? I mean, we're also talking about a guy that is still developing/growing as a player, and a guy that plays a pretty good CF defensively. I get your points though - why trade a guy that we know can at least produce at a certain level in the big leagues (that's still growing), when we have no idea yet what we have with Brinson/Phillips.
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OK - huge hypothetical here: let's say that Broxton uses this recent hot run to finish his season on a tear. I know this may seem questionable with his crazy inconsistencies, but he did finish last season on a big hot run, so it's not completely unrealistic. Let's say he finishes with a .250 BA, .325 OBP, 800+ OPS, 27 HR, 27 SB. What type of value would he have this offseason? With his age and controllability, I'd have to think that would be somewhat attractive to teams out there, right? Yes, the K's and the inconsistency might be too much for teams to overlook, but they might also think that he's a guy that they could help become more consistent? As we all know, we are eventually going to have to trade at least one of Braun/Broxton/Santana/Brinson - and if you think that Phillips is deserving of a starting spot, then you may have to trade two of those five guys. On top of that, we may have guys like Ray, Harrison and Clark knocking on the door in a couple of years. Just curious to hear thoughts on what Broxton's value might be if he were to finish with a flurry this year and put up numbers in the ballpark of what I listed above?
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Standings following the Western road trip
Madhawk23 replied to Est1970's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Just read up on Kershaw a bit, and it sounds like he has one more 3 inning simulated game on Monday before heading out on a rehab assignment - so it would appear that there is little/no chance we'll be seeing him in our series in LA next weekend. LA has no need to rush him back at this point either, as they just need to make sure he's ramped up by early October. So, that's a break to head out west to SF and LA and miss both of the big lefties on the trip. Now, let's please take advantage of it! -
Standings following the Western road trip
Madhawk23 replied to Est1970's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Is LA expecting to get Kershaw back for that series next weekend? Yeah, that would suck if we catch them at exactly the time that he's coming back from his injury. With that said, maybe he'll be a bit on the rusty side? Definitely a huge break to miss Mad Bum in that SF series, so hopefully we can take advantage of that. Playing in LA will be a different story, but we went head to head with them in Milwaukee and really should have swept that series if our pen doesn't completely implode the first two games. This first series in COL is obviously critical to getting off on the right foot. Need to find a way to take 2/3. Not going to be easy either when we are sending Garza, a rookie making his 3rd big league start (at least he has experience pitching in CO), and a guy making his first start after a 6 week DL stint, out to the mound in the thin CO air. Need our bats to stay hot this series so that we don't have to rely too much on the pitching. -
I can't even believe we are having this conversation on this board? Is BA perfect - no, nobody is. But, as others have already stated - there is a reason why he is so coveted for all of these national broadcasts. The guy is one of the best in the business, and we are extremely lucky to have him - especially for as small of a market as we are. I'm not a UW fan, but I've always been jealous of the Badgers for having Lepay as their PBP guy for football and hoops. There is no doubt that he is also one of the best in the business for what he does there. And, I think he does a fine job filling in for BA when he's out doing his national stuff. But, he's not on the same level as BA for calling baseball games on TV. He just isn't. I've talked to some people that know this business well from outside the state, and they say that Wisconsin sports fans don't realize how fortunate they are to have the PBP guys that they have covering all of the sports teams in this state. I think it's time we move onto something else to complain about.
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That's certainly an interesting idea. I'm sure many on here will hate the idea of going after someone like Votto who's got an enormous contract and will be aging in the years to come. But, like you said - he's really shown no signs of slowing down anytime soon, and that would be one hell of a lineup for the next few years. And, if we were taking on most of his salary, I can't imagine that we'd have to give up too much in a prospect package, correct? With that said - I'm sure a deal like this would never happen. Fun to think about though.
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The way the central is this year, going 4-7 we probably lose only a game on first. Cubs play 7 out of their next 10 against the really bad Reds pitching staff that we just saw this past weekend. And, the other three are home against the Jays. Unfortunately, I think 4-7 over the next 11 games will have us buried in the division before the end of the month.
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OK - I hate to be Debbie Downer here, but we go up against Pittsburgh this week for 2 games (against their two best pitchers), and then head out on the dreaded 9-game west coast trip - and those usually don't end well for the Brewers. So, let's say we go 4-7 in these next 11 games and fall completely out of the NL Central race. Meanwhile, the Angels currently occupy one of the two WC spots in the AL (I know....all teams in that league are basically still in contention for the WC), and we all know that Braun would love to move out west if he were to be traded anywhere. On top of this, Ben Revere is currently occupying the Angels LF position right now, and it appears that they are struggling to hit LHP. Is there any way a deal could get done between our two teams if things continue to go south for us before 8/31 and if the Angels continue to occupy an AL WC spot? I'm guessing that pitching is probably a bigger priority for them right now, and there is probably no way they'd want to take on another bad contract after Pujols and Hamilton. We'd have to eat some salary I'm sure, and their farm system is pretty terrible. Just looking ahead here, as we all know that something is going to have to give eventually to make room for all of these OF's on our 40 man roster.
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I would agree wholeheartedly with this statement. I can't remember a year (at least in the past 6-8 years) where we've had this many intriguing young bats at the extreme lower levels. Now, time will tell how well these kids adjust as they move up and face better pitching - but it's certainly very exciting to see.