The Packers do not yet have a tackle for loss and the only sack is credited as a team sack (QB dropped the ball in the pocket). The Lions aren't going to go out and win a game, you really have to give the game away and for the first half, it looked like GB might do just that. Could be a long day in SF.
Final stats for the Saints offense - 43 plays for 128 yards for 3 yards per play. Kamara with 5 yards rushing. Now this is an outlier box score, but still a scathing indictment against Barry. With how bad of trainwreck we may have on our hands defensively, it doesn't really matter who the quarterback is or what the offense does.
You see that 2011 defense, though they gave up a lot of yards and certainly didn't play to the level they hoped to, did create an absolute ton of turnovers. That was a big reason why that team went 15-1. Another good example of false narratives. I'm sure you think they got "run over" when they faced the elite Bucs in the playoffs. Do you remember the three second half INTs they forced? Is Tom Brady not a good enough QB for those to count as a good thing? Let me try to help you understand the thesis and simplify things for you here. They have good players on defense. Last year they had defensive success. It is very alarming to watch that defensive front get annihilated in week 1.
No I quite literally said you don't have to because it doesn't happen. I already know this. It is a false narrative that the Packers were winning tons of games in the past while getting no stops and scoring on every drive. Their defense last year was actually pretty good and I wouldn't have called their front seven a weakness at all. The complete annihilation of it in week 1 of this year is very, very alarming. So much so, that I don't really care who the QB is or what the offense does until this can be fixed because it doesn't matter.
I wish there was a way to embed tweets here or at least have an idea of what the tweet is before clicking. Sometimes people post them and it's big news, other times it's a waste of a click.
It's generally pretty easy to figure out https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/upload/packers/mag1baeviqzjd6txcjc4 But you don't have to look back through a bunch of old box scores, the packers aren't winning games where they get no stops. Last year they did not have a bad defense, not the best in football, but above average is good enough.
You think it's a common occurrence for the Packers to win games while getting 0 defensive stops? Could you maybe find me a box score from one of these games?
But that has basically been the story with this defense for the last 9 seasons, and Rodgers has been able to quarterback his way out of it a lot. The offense has been able to overcome generally average to poor defensive performances for most of Rodgers' career. The concern is that the offense looked absolutely horrendous as well, which is leading people to question what the issue was there. Find me a game where the opponent runs the ball at a 2-1 run to pass play call ratio and scores on all but one drive before garbage time where the Packers somehow win.
The thing is, in today's NFL, capable QBs are a dime a dozen and there's generally a couple more good ones drafted every year. Building a great defense and playing ball control football is tough, but as the Saints showed, it can be done.
Since you bring up big plays, As a whole unit, the Packers had one pass broken up (Stokes). There was not one TFL, Sack, Fumble, INT, Blocked Kick, etc. Only other stats were just tackles.
There can be multiple reasons for a loss and those reasons can vary in terms of how important/impactful they were. That being said, it seems kind of pointless to figure out which reason was the most egregious and then pretend the others didn't exist. I understand if you don't care, but this is a sports message board, so you might want to mentally prepare yourself for topics outside of what you deem most important. No, it seems rather pointful to try to figure out the biggest reasons a team losses. The front 7 getting demolished is really bad and basically always losses the game. You can't quarterback your way out of that one.
Agreed on the defense getting manhandled in the trenches being a key to them getting trounced yesterday....but that has nothing to do with Rodgers basically having his worst game as a pro statistically that he didn't leave early due to injury. His and the offense's terrible day also contributed to the defense living on the field, too, and turned a loss into a curb-stomping. The offense certainly performed poorly as well for many reasons including the QB and that's definitely bad. I just don't care because I don't think it matters much if the defensive front is this bad.
The Saints ran about 40 running plays to only 20 passes (Depends on how technical you want to be regarding jet sweep forward passes). The Packers defensive front consistently could not stop the run as they were manhandled by New Orleans offensive line. The Saints scored on all but one possession until late in garbage time. That's the game. It's not Rodgers playing poorly, not Winston playing well, not crowd noise, or any other nonsense. When an offensive line wins the battle this decisively vs a defensive front, that team will win.
You’re right. It probably is. Perhaps I’ve held him to a higher standard the past 2.5 years because I didn’t like the pick. It’s beyond me why you’d hand out a pair of massive FA contracts to edge rushers and then use the #12 pick to draft another edge rusher. Even if he breaks out later this year, they’ll only get him cheap for 1.5 years. Zach Kruse @zachkruse2 · 8m Rashan Gary led the Packers with 4 pressures, including 2 QB hits. Only rushed 16 times. 0 sacks, 0 tackles, no other statistics recorded. And actually one of his pressures was him working an inside move allowing QB to break containment and run for first down on a 3rd and long. All that said, yes I would agree he was one of the bright spots defensively.
When he starts winning against good opponents, he can use coach speak all he wants. Don't the Badgers have two major bowl wins in the last five years? It's not a big money school and generally recruits poorly. How much more do you reasonably expect?