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I bet we'd have to add a bit, but I really, really like this idea. -
Corbin definitely moves the needle. He was a top 30 starting pitcher last year. Because he has one year left, he should be more easily attainable. He's actually my favorite target due to those circumstances. He'd bridge the gap very nicely to Burnes/Ortiz.
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This is exactly what I want them to do. Pass on the free agents, and pass on emptying the farm for an Archer or Stroman. This is also exactly what they did when they acquired Chase Anderson and Zach Davies (and what the Cubs did when they got Arrieta).
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Yes, pushing for free agency after 4-5 years instead of 6 would significantly alter free agency, and you'd see a lot more spending in that way. You could argue, though, that this creates a pretty big disadvantage for small market teams who really rely on that cheap labor. If that isn't changed, you'll probably see a different approach by agents; more will be likely to take extensions with teams to buy out free agent years rather than wait until they hit free agency past their prime. Or this could all just be teams focused on next winter's FA class.
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If this was for Fulmer, that would be one thing. No way am I giving all that up for a 30 year-old starting pitcher.
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Archer is most likely past his prime. Starting pitchers generally tend to decline after age 28. That is something that makes this riskier--yes, he is controllable, but unlike Yelich, it's not through his prime years. Paying a ton in prospects for a pitcher who isn't young is a big risk.
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It's at least worth exploring, and it could have the added bonus of pushing Darvish away from the Cubs.
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Teams with these premium young pitchers aren't going to want fringe guys like Aguilar, Thames, Broxton, etc. Would you want someone like that if the Brewers were dealing Nelson (before injury)?
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Where is Domingo Going?
Oldcity replied to Warning Track Power's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Everyone knew the Marlins were trading Yelich, and they still managed to get value for him. Santana is good enough to get a nice return, whether there is any perceived leverage or not. -
Yelich is just okay in center, which is why going for Cain makes sense. Cain in CF, Yelich in RF is pretty great defensively. Santana would be dealt for sure, then.
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He was 23rd in WAR last season and is now moving to a hitter's park. I now prefer to trade Santana, move Yelich to right, and platoon Phillips and Broxton in center. That would be a significant improvement on last year's outfield defense.
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Of course Yelich is a special player. #23 in WAR in all of baseball last year, and he immediately becomes the Brewers' best player. This isn't a steal by any means, but it's a fair price, and they dealt from depth. They still have Broxton, Phillips, Braun, and Santana (for now) to go along with Yelich. And they didn't give up any of their top pitching. I'm excited--Yelich is great, and now they have their 1 or 2 hitter for the next five years who is just entering his prime.
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I keep seeing people saying Yelich has 5 years of control, but Cott's is showing only four more years? Even still, this doesn't strike me as a win-now move, which I am against. It is a rare opportunity to get a star player for his prime years at a premium contract. That doesn't come around often, and I am all for taking advantage of it. They can possibly recoup some prospects if they trade Santana and/or take on some of Ellsbury's contract in return for some prospects.
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No way, not a chance, if that happens, I quit. I'd probably want Barraclough back as well for that package, but I'd do it.
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I suppose you could send Brinson to Miami, trade Santana for pitching, and then go back to the Yankees for the Ellsbury+prospect+salary relief thing. Braun in left, Ellsbury/Broxton in CF, Yelich in right, with Phillips backing up all three is strong offensively and acceptable defensively.
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Admittedly, the problem with trading Brinson in a package for Yelich is that makes all the other MLB outfielders much less expendable. The route to get pitching at that point would likely be signing a FA rather than another trade, which is fine by me. It's funny. In a vacuum, I would probably prefer the Brewers keep Santana over Brinson. But in this scenario, I'd prefer to trade Santana for Yelich. Brinson in CF and Yelich in RF is a nice defensive setup. I imagine the Marlins definitely prefer Brinson to Santana due to the longer team control, though.
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Yep, Yelich is an in-his-prime Braun with a bit worse slugging and much better defense. And the slugging would definitely come up at Miller Park.
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Ha. While entertaining, @BrewerWorld is a parody account.
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Funny. I'm the exact opposite. If Yelich played second, he'd be an MVP-level player. He's better than any player the Brewers have, he's on a bargain contract, and he has several years of team control. As others have said, we should hope Brinson becomes as good as Yelich currently is.
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The Cain tidbit in that last tweet is interesting since I can't imagine the Brewers would want Cain unless Brinson was being dealt?
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Ellsbury wouldn't be one heck of anything.
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Four pages is a long thread? Yelich is a young star. He's a great player who would only be better outside of that park. The Brewers should be willing to throw plenty at Miami to get him. He'd immediately become the Brewers' best player, and he's only 26. They could either play him in center, or move him over to right. That would allow them to trade Santana for pitching or to even recover some prospect capital from a Yelich trade. Of all potential blockbuster trades discussed this off-season, this is by far my favorite choice.
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And a couple of notes on this quote: 1. Archer's salary is going up towards 10 million in coming years. 2. You might be trading 3 guys that will provide you 3-5 wins (WAR) for $600k a few years from now to acquire Archer. To acquire Arrieta, you just pay the inflated cost and give up a supplemental draft pick. Not to mention, where are you getting 10 wins? I can't find a publication that has a season any higher than 5.2 for Archer.
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Brewers worst Free Agent signing of this past decade
Oldcity replied to patrickgpe's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Logically it may not have been Suppan, but emotionally for me, it's him no question. It was torture watching him throw 85 mph meatballs that didn't move at all, and at the time, he was making quite a bit of money (I believe he was the highest contract given to a FA by the Brewers at the time of the signing?) "Soup pitched great!" -
I have to think someone will meet Tampa's high asking price. They have every reason to ask for a ton with four years left on Archer's deal.
