Not to take this too far off course but we do have a manager and GM both on the last years of their contracts which is very unusual. Counsell has been offered an extension and has not made up his mind if he wants to keep managing or step away but we have heard nothing about any extension talks with Arnold. Between these situations and the fact that we haven't made any attempts to sign any of our players long term (at least none that have been reported) and you have to wonder what is going on with ownership.