Jopal78
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Man talk about spin. I guess by that logic, every 5+ ERA pitcher has trade value. I literally said in that thread that Chacin could probably end up being unclaimed if waived, that thing literally ended up happening, and you still sit here completely unwilling to admit you're wrong, all the while the other guy you said had value is getting shelled. While the Brewers giving up little for a couple garbage pitchers that have absolutely nothing to do with Chacin or Albers somehow proves your point. Hilarious stuff, man. Get a clue. The difference being Chacin now has an injury and it’s up in the air if he’ll be able to pitch again this year, clearly a different situation then when you were blowing steam about him being worthless. Pick something less asinine to go down with the ship on. It was fun to pants you the first time it’s less fun each subsequent time -
Whatever, denigrate however you want. You said they had no value and yet a team that holds themselves out as a contender went out days later and traded for two guys with ERAs over 5.00. Just own it, it’s fine nobody’s 100% right all the time. It’s okay
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It was me and it was a fair comment. In fact, since that comment the Brewers actually traded for Lyles and Pomeranz two pitchers statistically worse at the time than either Chacin or Albers
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It is the definition of pessimism, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. So you say the team doesn't have the talent to hang with the big boys, then say they can't take unnecessary risks? That's contradictory. If a team cannot hang with the big boys, wouldn't they HAVE to take risks, such as the one they did in 2018 when they decided to pay Wade Miley $2.5 million? The <$5 million Nelson is going to make in arbitration is not a large commitment at all in the whole scheme of things. The Jimmy Nelson of 2017 doesn't exist anymore. To assume its only a matter of time until a 30 year old pitcher coming of a catastrophic arm injury morphs back into his 28 year old pre-injury self ignores all the relevant facts. Based on his small sample of 14 innings with the Brewers this year, Nelson isn't a major league caliber pitcher. So far in AAA against lesser talent than the major leagues, he's walking on average 5+ batters per 9 innings. Moreover, post injury he doesn't throw particularly hard. As any Brewer fan knows (because they've had a lot of them over the years) pitchers who do not throw hard and have iffy command don't do very well at the major league level. Which brings me back to the original point, due to significant injury and ineffectiveness post injury, he's not likely in the team's plans going forward and most likely will be non-tendered after the season. Because he is not on the 40 man roster now I don't see him coming back up.
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It’s not pessimistic at all; it’s reality. I don’t really care what his AAA numbers are because there isn’t a Kris Bryant, Anthony Rendon, Cody Bellinger, in AAA. The fact he’s striking out the Saladino’s and Spangenbergs of minor league baseball and being tough on AAA line ups isn’t persuasive to me. The Brewers do not have enough talent this year to hang with the big boys, retaining Nelson and hoping for the best doesn’t improve the team’s talent level for 2020. It’s taking a risk and on a team that’s never going to have a top payroll it’s just not a necessary risk, especially since he leaves as a free agent anyways after 2020. I feel bad for the guy, he was turning the corner into being a really good starting pitcher, and he had a major shoulder injury damaging not just one but multiple structures in his shoulder. Nobody knew if he was going to be able to come back at all, and the Brewers stuck by him. However it’s a cut throat business and good guys like Nelson will lose their spots for players who are more certain to help the team in the short run or the future. For these reasons I don’t see them bringing him back to the majors.
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Unless you are, in fact, David Stearns, there is no way you know this. You are speculating, based on the rough go a guy has had coming off a major surgery. Honestly, I have no idea what the future is for Nelson. But if the Brewers have stuck with him this long, it certainly wouldn't surprise me to see them bring him back next year. It’s logic. He’s making 3.7 million this year. If tendered, Nelson will certainly file for a raise with the arbitrator; and it’s unlikely he settles for a pay cut. So they’d be looking at paying 5 million dollars or so for a middle reliever with poor major league stats post injury. There are better relief pitchers that could be had for 5 million than Nelson. With one year of control remaining and a handful of young arms on the roster plus a Anderson and Davies he’s not a good bet for the rotation either.
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I really don’t know why they’d bring up Jimmy Nelson. They’re not going to tender him a contract for next year regardless how he pitches out of the bullpen as they play out the string. Therefore it doesn’t seem likely they designate someone from the 40 man roster to make space for a player with no real value to the organization going forward.
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We follow the team too closely to be objective. There’s one pitcher in the rotation that started the year in the rotation and even Davies spent time on the DL. Likewise in the bullpen 3 of the bullpen pitchers from opening day are gone and they’ve cycled through even more since then. Frankly the pitching on this team has been awful and like someone else said, it’s a minor miracle they’ve hung around so long.
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Nope.
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Cards have the 2019 version of last year’s Brewers bullpen. Getting behind early is fatal.
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Nobody is ‘exposing’ the Cubs; they are and remain a talented but underachieving team. The Nationals have been playing .666 baseball since June 1st so it should be no surprise to see them go through the Cubs with ease
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When Chacin went on the DL with his lay strain it was said to be six weeks which would mean a mid September return. If he’s behind schedule it means he’s not likely to return anyhow which makes it irrelevant if he stays on the 40 man or not, especially playing on an expiring contract. I’m sure he’s out of options and if he can’t pitch I don’t think another MLB team is going to add him to the their 40 so he’ll probably stay with the Brewers and if he can get healthy it’s easy to re-add him.
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When Chacin went on the DL with his lay strain it was said to be six weeks which would mean a mid September return. If he’s behind schedule it means he’s not likely to return anyhow which makes it irrelevant if he stays on the 40 man or not, especially playing on an expiring contract. I’m sure he’s out of options and if he can’t pitch I don’t think another MLB team is going to add him to the their 40 so he’ll probably stay with the Brewers and if he can get healthy it’s easy to re-add him.
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When Chacin went on the DL with his lay strain it was said to be six weeks which would mean a mid September return. If he’s behind schedule it means he’s not likely to return anyhow which makes it irrelevant if he stays on the 40 man or not, especially playing on an expiring contract. I’m sure he’s out of options and if he can’t pitch I don’t think another MLB team is going to add him to the their 40 so he’ll probably stay with the Brewers and if he can get healthy it’s easy to re-add him.
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You said the same thing before the season started. He was going to start opening day, be the ace, his breaking stuff is better then ever. Really is astounding you haven't learned from that, but I guess I've learned there is no middle ground with you. When you play poker, do you either fold immediately or go all in on every hand? Yes I did say that, he couldn’t throw his breaking stuff for strikes the first go round, by the stats the last 5 outings, looks like that’s remedied. It’s also AAA; maybe he can gets swings and misses on his breaking pitches in the minor leagues that major leaguer hitters won’t swing at.
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You said the same thing before the season started. He was going to start opening day, be the ace, his breaking stuff is better then ever. Really is astounding you haven't learned from that, but I guess I've learned there is no middle ground with you. When you play poker, do you either fold immediately or go all in on every hand? Yes I did say that, he couldn’t throw his breaking stuff for strikes the first go round, by the stats the last 5 outings, looks like that’s remedied. It’s also AAA; maybe he can gets swings and misses on his breaking pitches in the minor leagues that major leaguer hitters won’t swing at.
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You said the same thing before the season started. He was going to start opening day, be the ace, his breaking stuff is better then ever. Really is astounding you haven't learned from that, but I guess I've learned there is no middle ground with you. When you play poker, do you either fold immediately or go all in on every hand? Yes I did say that, he couldn’t throw his breaking stuff for strikes the first go round, by the stats the last 5 outings, looks like that’s remedied. It’s also AAA; maybe he can gets swings and misses on his breaking pitches in the minor leagues that major leaguer hitters won’t swing at.
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I agree. Is there a difference between Spangenberg and HP at this point? How many guys that are versatile defensively but can’t hit does the team need.
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I agree. Is there a difference between Spangenberg and HP at this point? How many guys that are versatile defensively but can’t hit does the team need.
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I agree. Is there a difference between Spangenberg and HP at this point? How many guys that are versatile defensively but can’t hit does the team need.
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Chacin must not be ready to pitch for awhile; otherwise hard to believe they like spare parts like Saladino, Freitas better
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Chacin must not be ready to pitch for awhile; otherwise hard to believe they like spare parts like Saladino, Freitas better
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Chacin must not be ready to pitch for awhile; otherwise hard to believe they like spare parts like Saladino, Freitas better
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Well, this is the worst pitching staff Stearns has put forth since taking over as GM. Part of the poor quality of the pitching staff has been from injuries. Teams simply don't have quality high leverage relievers growing on trees when a player like Knebel suffers a major elbow injury. Another part of the reason their pitching staff is so poor is because Stearns knows that in order to be competitive year to year the Brewers absolutely have to be able to develop their own front line starting pitching. He made the decision to put a rotation together for 2019 of young pitchers with upside to see what he has. He found a good one in Woodruff while Burnes and Peralta have flopped so far. A third part is that he could have hedged his bets and retained Wade Miley and Gio Gonzalez for 2019, but after the decision is made to roll with the three young pitchers I assume they didn't feel the price tag ($5 million for Miley $3 million initially for Gonzalez) was worth it. I can't really criticize the above two decisions because they're the correct ones for the long terms, but by the same token Stearns owns what he's left with. A rotation lacking quality battle tested talent, and a thin bullpen. I wouldn't anticipate a spending bonanza on free agents to plug the holes in the offseason, rather they'll likely saddle up in 2020 with some combination of Davies, Anderson, Woodruff, Houser, Burnes, and Peralta with a mid-tier veteran starter on a short term contract for added stability.
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The Brewers don't typically include cash in their trades, and aren't likely to pay cash for Cain to play against them, and no team is going to take the 54 million left on his contract. He will be a Brewer for the next two years and likely all three that are left on his deal.
