Ron Robinsons Beard

It doesn't need to be written anywhere. It's common sense. I do get the interest in seeing what Freitas can do at the ML level, but as has been proven on multiple occasions this year, AAA production does not necessarily mean that the guy is going to hit MLB pitching. I'm not dealing off Grandal unless I know I'm not in the playoff chase. It makes zero sense to do anything other than that. Like I said before, you either go for it or you don't. None of this middling stuff that you've been suggesting (dealing Hader included). You keep throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks, in an attempt (I guess) to rile up conversation ... but many times it just makes you look like you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

Exactly, bullpen reinforcements are exactly what this team needs to be able to win the central. I’d do the following with the aforementioned pen reinforcements: Trade Chacín for prospects. Trade Grandal for prospects Gio replaces Chacín. Freitas replaces Grandal Don’t need Chacín with Gio/Peralta Freitas can hit and defend, less than 100 ab’s At .214 in ML not enough to judge, last 2 years .950+ ops 500 ab’s, .450+ on base telling, non K bat too. At least he gets a real shot to show us what he can do. At least one of the 2 pen reinforcements should be controlled past this year, but hoping for both. So you want to go for it and win the Central, and deal off the team's All-Star catcher and a solid starter? Umm, teams don't do this. You decide if you're a buyer or not, and make moves accordingly. They aren't going to make "buy" moves, and then turn around and trade away Chacin and Grandal.

Or bullpen savior Donnie Hart!

If anything, they will do a soft rebuild, selling off the rental and short-term pieces. Then next year they can build around Yelich, Woodruff and Hader. There are enough long-term pieces in place that I highly, highly doubt you'll see a complete teardown.

LOL ... watch them go on a run now.

Um, good for you? Sorry, just not sure what you're trying to accomplish with this post? Do you want all other posters to agree with you that the Brewers are done? Cause that may be coming, but I'm just not there yet. Just venting. This is very quickly becoming the most disappointing season, based on performance vs realistic expectations, in my 50 years of following the Brewers. I get it. I'm frustrated too. I had huge expectations, and this is looking like an average team at best right now. They played well enough in April and May to make me think that this was another very good squad, but there's just been too many injuries and regression. I think they are good enough to stay in the chase, but that's only because the rest of the Central isn't very good.

Starters haven't been the problem. They've actually been getting pretty solid starting pitching the last couple weeks. The pen has been the Achilles heel. That said, if Gio can come in and be Gio, it possibly moves Houser back to the pen, where he is sorely needed.

Ok, let's talk it out as a real life scenario. We place Chacin on waivers. Any team claiming Jhoulys Chacin owes him over $3.25M for the rest of 2019. Chacin has a FIP near 6 and an ERA of 5.18, and a WHIP of 1.50 for the season. Which contender is making that claim and picking up that tab? The sellers aren't going to, because that's just a waste of their money. Contenders are likely in the market for better options than that. Who is paying $3.25M for a 2 and a half month rental of that? For a playoff tested pitcher who has put up a month of good starts prior to the waiver claim? I would imagine most of them. Gio Gonzalez certainly wasn't setting the world on fire when he was dealt last year, and the Brewers were happy to get him, and gave up value to do so.

Um, good for you? Sorry, just not sure what you're trying to accomplish with this post? Do you want all other posters to agree with you that the Brewers are done? Cause that may be coming, but I'm just not there yet.

If Chacin continues to pitch like he has the last 3-4 times out, he will have a solid amount of value at the deadline. Albers is obviously hit and miss, but if he goes on another run of good outings, his contract is cheap enough that he will have value as well. Telling you to get a clue was definitely wrong. But I think in this case, saying those pitchers have no value is wrong as well. And Bailey was dealt for a former 1st rounder and that A's 17th ranked prospect. That isn't middling. I am amazed they got that for Bailey, even though it still isn't much in terms of top organizational talent. Middling, was probably the wrong word. I stand by Albers and Chacin bringing back essentially nothing. 5 ERA starter/reliever rentals do not have a big market for buyers. In Albers' case he's already coming off a poor year and hurt by that. Chacin has a not particularly cheap salary, if you're getting back anything you're also dumping salary. If you were a buyer, especially knowing we have to take on salary too, would you give up anything of real value for these guys? Do the 2019 versions of Jhoulys Chacin and Matt Albers make any contender better? I never said if we dumped them that they wouldn't get new teams so I don't know why he went spewing on about that, although frankly, they both would have a chance to clear waivers because of their salaries. Hernan Perez cleared, I wonder who would have called him worthless a month ago? My point was never that they couldn't be dumped but they'll bring back total nothing burgers in terms of value and therefore shouldn't be lumped in with names like Grandal or Moustakas, that's all I was saying. I guess I just disagree. No harm in that. I think if Chacin continues to pitch well, the Brewers will get back a solid prospect for him. Dependable starting pitching is always valuable, and Chacin has enough of a track record that teams will look past his first half struggles if he puts up a few more good outings before the deadline. The remainder of his salary isn't going to be an issue. Albers is a tougher sell, but if he pitches well over the next two weeks, I think he brings something better than a nothingburger too.

Peralta? The cupboard is pretty bare. I'd take JJ over Claudio, but it's closer than it should be. Honestly, the best reliever after Hader is probably Houser. The fact that they have to continue starting him is depressing.

If Chacin continues to pitch like he has the last 3-4 times out, he will have a solid amount of value at the deadline. Albers is obviously hit and miss, but if he goes on another run of good outings, his contract is cheap enough that he will have value as well. Telling you to get a clue was definitely wrong. But I think in this case, saying those pitchers have no value is wrong as well. And Bailey was dealt for a former 1st rounder and that A's 17th ranked prospect. That isn't middling.

Says the guy who continues to insist he'll be in the September playoff rotation. It is Burnes' fault. He's paid to get outs. He isn't doing it. It can certainly be argued that management isn't putting him in a spot to succeed, but excluding him from all blame is a clear cop out. Actually, I’ve been saying he should’ve been in AAA for more than a month, working on his pitches, starting. Yes, so he can come up and join the September playoff rotation (for some reason). It's one of the many topics that you've repeated often.

No, they are thinking "he better do his job". A team isn't a team when you don't believe in your teammates. This is a failure on most all levels today. Chacin was OK. That's it. The bats decided to take a nap after the first inning, and the pen has imploded yet again.

Why are they afraid to throw Brandon Crawford strikes? It's Brandon Crawford!

Says the guy who continues to insist he'll be in the September playoff rotation. It is Burnes' fault. He's paid to get outs. He isn't doing it. It can certainly be argued that management isn't putting him in a spot to succeed, but excluding him from all blame is a clear cop out.

I get that pitching Burnes here is a bad call, but can we cool it on the fire Counsell crap? I mean my goodness, the hyperbole is crazy.

Corbin Burnes is pretty much useless right now. No confidence in his stuff. He's not attacking, and opposing hitters are just waiting on him to miss and put one middle middle.

Who else are you going to go with? Everyone is getting slapped around lately.

Chacin gave up a HR in the previous inning. They were down 2-1, and he was trying to create offense. If the bats weren't hibernating, Chacin would have stayed in. There was nothing wrong with that move.

Yelly! Now lets see a few other guys swing the bat.

And we have hibernating bats

Throw strikes! Stop nibbling and attack these guys!

I don't think that was much of an "almost". He was a dead duck. Bad send.

Lead.Off.Walks