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Challenge accepted. We all know he missed 6 games due to injury. He also played 5 games where he had fewer than 10 carries. That's 11 games out of 17 where he might as well not have been there. In fairness, 1 of those games was actually a good one for him, he had 9 carries for 41 yards, 2 catches for 86 yards and 2 TDs, one rushing, one receiving. The other 4 were as unremarkable as one would expect. We'll replace the one good game with a 13 carry game in a loss to the Steelers where he was equally unremarkable. Another thing that sticks out to me is the lack of rushing touchdowns the last 3 years. 4 in '21 and just 2 each of the last two years. I'm seeing the word "elite" being tossed around but that ain't it in my book. He's damn good and yeah before this season Dillon was getting a lot of the goal line work (only 2 TDs from him in '23 as well). A low number of TDs doesn't necessarily mean a player has a low value but I'd like to see more than 2 TDs from my primary rusher. In '21 & '22 he was able to add some TD catches to help the overall number look better but that rushing total should still be better in my mind regardless of receptions. I think we're really caught up in the glow of his late season heroics, if he'd just been able to play that way earlier and more often he would probably still be a Packer right now. He literally only ever put up back to back 100 yard rushing games once before in his career and that was two games back in 2019. And he had never rushed for 100 yards in the playoffs before this last season (he did have 99 yds vs the Rams in 2020). It was an epic stretch to end his Green Bay tenure but let's not pretend he's that guy all of a sudden. As it is I can understand why the team didn't want to commit a lot of dollars to him. It was really all about the cap number anyway, they had to bring down the number from $17 million and that meant going pretty low with his base salary. Just didn't work out.

Interesting. Not sure this is going to be popular.

It does hurt. I thought I'd heard the Packers were offering him around $7 million but maybe that was a misunderstanding on my part. I just don't feel like this was a great move for Jones even if he's making a million bucks extra. He could have stayed and been a valuable part of a team with every intention of contending or go play... there. A million bucks is a lot of money, I can't blame him for getting every dime he can. And I guess the Vikings could hit on a QB in the draft that helps them right away but even then I don't think they're contenders this season. It's a shame.

I hope he can be a good passer for them.

I think we're all going to be feeling super lucky to have Jacobs for up to the next 4 years and have gotten such a good deal for him. Injury and a terrible Raiders offense last season suppressed his numbers and made this deal possible. Wow what a signing. Jones will be missed but I think there's still a chance he could come back if his market isn't what he's thinking it will be. Only takes one team though.

I think this is very likely. I haven't tracked how FA pitchers in similar situations have operated in previous seasons. I would think they would be mitigating how strenuously they prepare while trying to remain healthy so as not to tank their earning potential with an injury.

I don't have a MLB.TV subscription so can't speak specifically about that but even looking at the Brewers official website (mlb.com/brewers) the regular season schedule does not show the TV broadcasts there either when typically it has in the past. However the spring training schedule does show when the games will be on TV. The games will be televised one way or another. I think it's just because things with Amazon haven't been finalized yet. I'm guessing it will be by the time the regular season starts.

Aside from the heated back and forth between a few posters when it comes to what CC said about being a Brewer and loving Milwaukee etc. the way I think of it is, people that get married aren't likely envisioning a divorce in their future. Yet divorce still happens and is not uncommon, It's not difficult to imagine that CC had some personal reasons, whatever they are, that led to him feeling ok about managing somewhere other than Milwaukee. Yeah, part of fandom is to "hate" on other teams, players, managers, mascots, the chick that sits in the front row behind home plate yadda yadda yadda. We all get it. We all do it. We often even "hate" players on our own team! So hate away. I know I will. I just don't have any issue or hurt feelings with CC's decision to leave. There's no extra hate there on my end. But he's now with the Cubs, I hate the Cubs, I often hate whomever is managing the Cubs, so I plan on not liking CC very much for the foreseeable future. There's every likelihood that feeling will only intensify as time passes.

Today's and tomorrow's game will be televised by Bally Sports. Even if you can't watch I'm guessing highlights will be posted to YouTube within an hour or so once the game ends. Non-televised games likely won't have highlights. I'm unaware if opposing teams will have a TV broadcast on days that the Brewers do not have a TV broadcast so I suppose it's not impossible there could be highlights on days where Bally's doesn't have one.

I'm not sure why folks are even worrying about Haase. He's on a $1M contract and he has to show out in spring training to prove he can still hit after an abysmal 2023 season. If he's not great Haase is an easy cut. If he earns a spot he'll have really played his tail off in ST or Sanchez may not quite be ready to catch due to his wrist. That all said, if he does make the team he can also play in the OF so he's not pigeon-holed into one position. Bottom line the team has options, it will work itself out.

From Rosenthal's article on The Athletic: "The Brewers had lingering concern over the condition of Sánchez’s right wrist after his physical, and the expectation is he will accept a lower base salary with incentives that would enable him to earn the original $7 million if he stays healthy. His initial deal also included a mutual option for 2025." No confirmation yet on the status of the option year (obviously) but not far fetched to assume it remains as it was a mutual option.

I don't have a problem with sex or violence in movies with the appropriate rating. I do however agree with people who have criticized American culture saying people get offended by the sight of a woman's breasts but don't seem to have any issues with serial killers, murders, decapitations, severed limbs, city destroying bombs, etc. etc. And the movies with violence seem to have a lower threshold to clear for a desirable rating (like PG-13) than nudity or sex. As I said, I'm generally not bothered by any of those things but there are movies where I will draw the line and typically it's the violence that exceeds my tolerance limits, not sex or nudity. I'm thinking of those torture for the sake of showing gratuitous torture movies like Hostel or other ones like it. I'm assuming about that movie too because I haven't seen it. I have no desire to watch that stuff. Game of Thrones went pretty heavy on the sex and nudity in earlier seasons but I felt like they toned it down in later ones. I could be wrong, I'm not that sensitive to that type of scene so maybe there was still some over the top stuff that wasn't that memorable for me.

I said this in one of my previous posts: I agree with @TURBO, they likely discussed his usage in contract negotiations. I also had a speculation about "refusing" to pitch in certain situations in my post right above this one. I don't think he's refusing per se, I think he and management of the teams he's played for have discussed it and came to an agreement rather than it being simply a straight refusal on his part. I think teams would have liked him to be more open to pitching multiple innings but in the grand scheme there are pros and cons to doing that just like there are pros and cons to adhering to a static one inning only policy.

If your style is to put words into the mouths of people you disagree with by all means go for it, just admit that's what you're doing. The average person is not accumulating generational wealth in their 9 to 5 job. I am a 9 to 5er, my job is important to me to earn a living but it's not going to make my family financially secure for the next 50 to 100 years or longer. And we know his reasons which I won't repeat. He also said that he would pitch multiple innings in playoff games. In fact he has pitched over 1 IP in two playoff games since the arbitration decision that went against him (he pitched multi-inning games in playoff games prior to his one inning limit days). He pitched 4 outs in the Brewers' 2020 wild card loss to the Dodgers and in game 2 of the 2022 NLDS he pitched a 4 out save for the Padres. And again, there are other pitchers on the team, it takes everyone. When the Brewers used him in multiple innings that typically meant they rested him for a couple days after. If he is limited to pitching one inning he can be available to pitch two or three days in a row. There's always a give and take. I also don't know how a player can "refuse" to play without breaching their contract. The employer can demand for the player to be used how they want to use him or take legal steps against him. Clearly the Brewers and Padres never took such a step. If a team were deliberately trying to abuse him physically the player would have a case but if a team used him like every other reliever there's not a lot he can do about it. To me it sounds an awful lot like the teams agreed to use him in the role he preferred. I don't recall ever hearing a quote from a Brewers manager, coach or front office representative where they directly said they didn't "like" it or were upset in any way about the parameters of Hader's usage. If you'd like to provide a direct quote I'd be interested to see it. I have heard CC talk about it and never had the impression there was a major rift or disagreement there. And now we've wandered into the land of the absurd. Fun. Don't know if you have but I've witnessed pitchers bat and not run out grounders as hard as they could and it was fully understood that it was by order of the manager to prevent unnecessary injury. If MVP Yelich was playing through an injury (sore back, ribs, knee) and the manager asked him not to crash into walls or dive for catches I don't think there'd be a significant number of fans that would gripe about it. Healthy players are preferred, always. Even Josh Hader. It's why I suspect that despite speculation that the team didn't "like" his preference to exclusively pitch 3 outs they didn't push too hard against it because it is a way to minimize injury risk which works both for the player and the team. This team famously kept Corbin Burnes from pitching the ninth inning of a no-hitter because of pitch count superstitions. I said "at maximum" which implies the 1 or 2 out save. There were also comments saying that Hader was being selfish. Yes, he was. I never denied that. I just think his reasons are justified. He's earned some criticism, sure. I just fall on the side of not really having an issue with it and I stated my reasons for not judging him too harshly. Nobody is required to agree. I get a bit triggered over what I view as knee jerk reactionary criticism but ultimately people will have a spectrum of opinions. Fair enough. My feelings about him as a player are mostly indifferent, he's not a Brewer anymore and I am a Brewers fan.

Projecting your 9 to 5 work values on a pro athlete is both irrational and irrelevant. You're seriously upset because he prefers to pitch one 3 out inning. C'mon. It's a team sport, laying all that blame on one person is unfair. If it were common for all closers to pitch multiple innings this wouldn't be an issue but it is not common. It's very nearly always one self contained 3 out inning every time. I just think this is classic fan envy of the rich athlete. Josh Hader had an opportunity to earn generational wealth, meaning it doesn't only affect him it affects his kid's, their kid's and so on. It's real easy to take pot shots at these guys from the cheap seats when you have zero stake in the game other than your fandom. Yeah, in his shoes I wouldn't care what anyone else thought either. It's a baseball game, it's entertainment. It's the same thing as watching a movie or a TV show, or reading a book, except the team competition concept and home city/state create an environment where people can form a natural rooting interest. I'll repeat, Hader did what he was paid to do and he was extremely valuable doing it. That is a fact and it is indisputable whether you agree with the way he chose to ply his trade or not. It wasn't a secret to the Brewers how he preferred to be used, it wasn't a secret to Padres when they traded for him and it wasn't a secret to the Astros when they signed him as a free agent. Heck, now that he's finally signed that big contract it's possible he eases the restriction since he is now set for life whether he gets injured or not. That's the other thing, he was protecting himself from the risk of unnecessary injury. He wasn't lazy, it wasn't that he didn't want his team to win or didn't care about the team or its fans. He happened to be a player with a very specialized job and whether folks like it or not that job valued a very specific stat that simply requires one to get, at maximum, the last 3 outs of a game while maintaining the lead. If he had been a starter this would have never been an issue. If he wasn't in the top 3 to 5 players in the entire league at this very specific role it wouldn't have been an issue. But he was and he was made to recognize that due at least partly to an arbitration hearing where his employer tried to play down his value to suppress his earnings and in doing so unwittingly pigeon holed themselves into using him in exactly the way they argued was the most valuable for that role.

Yet the Brewers still got an absolute steal of a deal in that 596% raise. Will Smith earned a 3 year $40M contract coming off an All Star season that was a nice season but came nowhere close to the dominance Josh Hader put up. Instead if he blows out his arm it's sayonara, better be frugal with that $4 million you earned that was at least 90% below what your actual performance was worth. Everyone take a long look in Brandon Woodruff's direction. So yeah, I'm right back to "Sorry boss, I'm not pitching more than 3 outs in closing situations from here on out." What does this even mean? He still did exactly what he was paid to do. I guess it wasn't bad for MLB either, look what they paid him after all his "selfish behavior." Gimme a break.

I have zero issue with his reasoning and choices. Brewers were dumb to even go to arbitration in the first place but then to kill their golden goose by literally downplaying how important him pitching multiple innings for them was. Hope the money they saved was worth it.

The Brewers were 18-14 in regular season games Burnes started last season regardless of his actual performance. The team lost a game where Burnes pitched 8 no hit innings and no runs allowed and they won a game where Burnes allowed 3 HR and 6 ER in 6 IP. There were only 2 games where he pitched fewer than 5 innings (both wins). So yeah, I think they can win and compete for the division without him.

From the day the season ended the expectation always was that the Brewers would not have Burnes on the roster in 2024. Now the expectation has come to fruition and for some reason people are surprised. As some said, they should have traded him sooner. This was never going to feel good.

I'm stoked, so glad Burnes is gone and we don't have to sweat out his health status the whole year. Burnes has been far from my favorite Brewer, for an ace it was pretty frustrating to watch his mediocre starts of which in my opinion there were too many of. I'm not saying he was bad he just didn't live up to my idea of an ace, more like a solid 2 or 3 on a team that can afford to spend on pitching. With only one season of control remaining the return isn't what I hoped for but I think it's pretty reasonable and I trust Arnold and the team's scouts (who are not amateur keyboard warriors) that they got good talent. That comp pick is real nice too. Big win.

Thank you, even as I was answering that I had the feeling I shouldn't be, which I unfortunately ignored lol.

Yeah they're just a website that regurgitates what other news sources have already reported. Living the click-bait life. I prefer to source an actual news site (but that still doesn't mean the report isn't regurgitated).

First, Yount wore 19 (not saying you don't know that, hopefully you set your buddy straight). Second, you're allowed an opinion but it's not worth much, same as me. You also don't get to self-determine the criteria that makes him worthy unless you are the controlling owner of the Milwaukee Brewers. ETA: I say that only because clearly there is some other reason the team hasn't officially retired the number or allowed another player to wear it.

It would make him your cousin as well. If he's your father's 1st cousin (one of your grandparent's sibling's kids), he'd be your 2nd cousin. Aunts and uncles are siblings of your parents only. Siblings of your grandparents are your great aunts/uncles. It gets confusing after that lol.

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