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MRI that shoulder today!

I feel that the context has been completely erased here. Someone sarcastically called out all the "shoulder experts" on this board for expressing completely reasonable doubts about whether Jimmy is going to be "better than ever". People are also being called out for being too negative about it, but all we're saying is basically what you're saying - that the shoulder is an extremely complex joint, throwing is a complex motion, and shoulder surgeries have uneven success rates, so therefore we're skeptical of him returning to form. I think it was obvious from the context that I wasn't claiming to be a shoulder surgeon, but only claiming to be enough of an expert on it to express skepticism about Nelson bouncing back 100%. I'm probably about as much of an expert as one can be without actually working in the field. People jumped all over that expert comment without context. Honest question for the people who actually work in the field. If you were absolutely forced to make some kind of huge wager on Nelson's future, would you be willing to bet on him ever being close to his 2017 self again? Maybe some arbitrary cutoff like producing another 3 WAR season? Knowing what you know about shoulder surgeries, recovery, recurrence rates, and possible lingering issues like scar tissue and changes to proprioception? Based on my personal experience and the research I did before deciding not to have shoulder surgery again, I would never be able to bet on it even with very good odds. I'm with the people who think anything we get from him is kind of a bonus. And that's definitely NOT the same as saying I believe he's going to be bad; it's saying I'm not ready to be persuaded that he's going to be good by cliche spring training comments about how he's better than ever. One man’s cliché is another man’s truth.

Here we are and the Brewers have made most of these additions (outside of Keuchel) and yet Las Vegas is offering a line that is 7 or 8 games lower than last year's win total. I am an optimist on Stearns so I'd probably bet over on that because the Brewers will generally find ways to overachieve. However, the theory that, "we won 95 (or 96 if you count the tiebreaker) last year and added guys so we'll do even better" can be debunked by the fact that nobody at this very moment will make the sound investment of selling off all assets and putting $200k on the Brewers because it is so obvious. The Brewers went 33-19 last year in 1 run games. They're built for that as I said, but make it still "good" at 29-23 and suddenly they're playing a playoff game just to get into the Wild Card. Vegas off last 2 yrs by 10+ wins EACH year Deep powerful line-up and better starting pitching lead to more non 1 run victories, like 24-10 in one run games I’m not a gambling man, but if I was, at 7-1 odds I’d bet it all on a pennant

+1 Bottom line for me is Stearns. I trust David Stearns to bring us a World Series this year. 49 years is long enough

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+1 Line-up much stronger. An improved Arcia eliminates all 3 of the black holes we had at the bottom of last years line-up. Bullpen strong again, Starting staff much improved. Defense still good. Manager good. Front office good. Depth elite. Where is this teams weakness? Only thing keeping this team from winning 105+games is the strength of the league and there brutal first 60 game schedule.

Think it more like 20%. Players 40%. Teams split 40% My figure’s: 50 mil for the 10 games =10 mil+teams keep parking and Concession $=15 mil

Dug this up to give my 2 cents. Forbes est. revenues at 250 mil. in 2017 which is latest they had. No est on total expenditures other than Payroll. Used figure of 96$ per fan. Last year brewers drew 300,000 More fans = xtra 27 mil. In revenue. Conservatively add 15 mil. In Playoff revenue = xtra 42 mil. In revenue. Brewers this year way ahead in ticket sales,heard double digit %. If 10% = 285,000 more fans =25 mil. Xtra revenue not incl playoffs. So my GUESS: Brewers could conservatively do payroll of 160 mil. And not lose $.

Sign Keuchel to 2 yr 36 mil contract, Gio 1 yr 10 mil, spend whatever at the trade deadline to shore up any weakness, draw 3.3 mil fans, win the World Series and still make a small profit.

Thanks for the info and opinion Dr Benji. If you say mid-season and jimmy says opening day, I’ll meet you two in the middle and say 2017 Form may 15.

+1 Some people talking about Chase Anderson like he’s a scrub pitcher, even with the homeruns he allowed his ERA was still below 4.ABOVE AVE MLB PITCHER.

This may have had something to do with the Brewers having an expanded roster for the month he was with them. I think the leash would be significantly longer if he were to be re-signed. Nothing would change. Gio had 5 starts the final month averaging 5 innings per start. 5.2 in 89 pitches 4.2 in 89 6 in 90 4 in 69 (3er) 5 in 74 (won 11-0 and guerra/lyles finished it so no reason to leave gio in) Gio would be a good addition to the team in both the rotation or pen. Another experienced lefty who can help. +1 With Brewers brutal schedule in March,April and May,I want the strongest Pitching staff as possible going into opening day.In my opinion Gio would Help not only starting staff, but also allow Burnes,woody or peralta back to pen, making that stronger as well.

Athletes do that all the time. They need to believe it and talk themselves into it just as much as some fans do. It would probably be foolish to bet on him being really good again. Foolish on him being really good again... okey-dokey

Nelson past the rehab stage when he said he throwing better than ever. I have no reason not to believe him.

No question. I guess I'll use the word "serviceable." If he can even get back to that level, where he pitches every 5th day and he's serviceable I would consider he's "back." Even with that low bar, I have serious doubts he can return to even that level. Totally disagree with this negative line of thinking. His labrum tear was on The front part of shoulder not the back like all other pitching injuries. Based upon this fact doctors say this injury less devastating To a pitcher And should make a full recovery. He was at 88-91 last sept in instructs. Now 20lbs heavier said he’s throwing harder with movement,breaking ball Sharper in fact he said all his pitches better than ever. I agree with on the black, surprise player of the year

Gio certainly isn't a world beater, but he's a proven vet lefty that would come cheap. Isn't too far removed from a really good season as well. He wouldn't be my top choice, but if they are insistent of having a lefty in the rotation, they could do much worse. +1 He’d also allow one of woodruff,Burnes or Peralta to pen again,giving us Another dominant multi inning reliever.

Perdomo could be a real factor outta the pen this year. Being left Handed certainly doesn’t hurt

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Well he’s healthy now, and said he’s throwing better than he ever has. Even with the Brewers being extremely cautious with Jimmy right now, and understandably so, I believe we’ll see the 2017 version of Jimmy Nelson this year

+1 Love Perez, catching would remain a strength next three years.

Counsell has told us pina is the backup. Love Kratz as quality depth in AAA for this years series run.

+1 Heyman reporting royals contacting free agent Maldonado

Just guessing? It does seem like the only team he's being connected to is the Braves. But the Braves are also notoriously cheap, so I could see the Brewers jumping in and surprising everyone. I'm sure Stearns and Attanasio are certainly not afraid to make a splash ... again. Massive injuries to braves pitchers just got worse with Closer A.J. Minter Leaving game today after only facing one batter with arm injury. Braves Beat writer speculating them signing kimbrel now. As Joey m bombs already pointed out how cheap braves are, don’t think they’d sign both Now. Would love Keuchel but don’t see him getting past Phillies or Padres.

Total non issue. Junior gonna be dominant outta the pen this year Even more so than last year.

+1 Save the $ for the trade deadline