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Houser is a funny one, what a stupid list.

Tampa Bay was a very good team in a great league last year. A league in which 97 wins was only good for the 2nd WC spot and 90 wins left them 18 back in the division. They traded their best pitcher(Archer) and got a massive haul in return. I have been against doing the same with Hader, but I think it's something we should start to consider. I don't want to give up Turang, Hiura, Burnes. I'd trade Grisham, but that's is out of ignorance as I know little about him beyond what you can read on the back of his card and on scouting reports. My ideal way forward would be to try and move Moose, Grandal, Anderson, Thames, save some money this year, try to acquire a couple big league ready(or close to) players for the next 2-3 years(the Yelich window) and then go out and spend money next year in a loaded FA market to get a guy like Cole, and then spend to get Will Smith. I'd guess that'd be 6/160 and 2/12. I'm not a "Brewers can spend 180 because they only spent 70 this year" type guy, but they have money coming off the books with Braun and the players I mentioned and they can afford to spend on a pitcher when they have so many young, talented pitchers. Cole and Woodruff give you a 1-2 punch and I believe you throw Burnes in there and you WILL have a great 1-3 with a plethora of 4/5 options and you have a lot of BP options. Hader is great, but we get back Knebel, Wahl and we have a lot of arms coming up this year and in a years time, who knows how many more may be here? Rasmussen? Even Snell could be a left handed weapon late in the year for us(that's very optimistic, but my point is we have a ton of arms and should be able to find 7-10 good arms in the org and if you sign someone like Smith to pair with Knebel, Jeffress, Wahl, that's potentially a very good BP). I am sure many will disagree and if the price gets too outrageous, I wouldn't give up any flexibility for the next few years to sign him. But if not him, I wouldn't touch Strausburg with a 10 foot pole given what he'll likely command(though his stuff, even with his velocity now in "just" the mid 90's is ridiculous). And while there are several other good vets, they don't fit the mold that we need. That's the most likely path to a true contender in MY opinion. I'm sure many will disagree. Who plays 3B is Moose is gone? Who catches if Grandal is traded? Neither one will bring a near ready MLB prospect to replace them next year. Stearns would have to spend a ton of money to replace them so why not try and re-sign them and build from there. With Shaw is such a funk with the stick, who knows if he's going to recover. Right now you'd be lucky to get a med. level A ball prospect for Anderson. A lot of stock is being placed on Wahl on these blogs. Wahl has done nothing to warrent such high expectations. He throws very hard, but now he will be coming off arm problems. I wouldn't count on him for anything and if he does do well it's an added bonus. Jeffress is just a shadow of his old self. He has lost 3-4 mph on his fastball and his other pitches aren't nearly as effective. He's already allowed more runs than he did all of last year. His BBs per 9 are up. His hits per 9 are up and his Ks per 9 are down significantly. Knebel will be coming off arm surgery as well and nobody knows how that will end up. If Hader is gone the bull pen is a gigantic mess. Wahl hurt his knee, not his arm. Disagree slightly on your Jeffress description, FB down 2 ticks and his secondary stuff still explodes, but command is a little off, shadow of his former self a little harsh. I’m betting on Knebel being Knebel the second half of next year. We have a couple interesting arms down below that could help the pen next year, and hoping Stearns goes against his M/O and signs a reliever this offseason.

All’s fair now in both drafts, but the Yankees Dodgers Cubbies Red Sox still with the advantage having their yougins from pre bonus pool still maturing now, but a couple years from now it’s a new ball game.

I thought they had overslot deal worked out with Holt, then he broke his thumb in the series. So maybe we get a discount now? Really like the speed, lefty bat and bat to ball skills.

Your probably right, offseason will probably get a little more back, but if he pitches well the next month I’m trading, before the collapse.

Thanks for the correct info, hoping Bauer and Cole have matured since college. Ha

Your probably right there. But that’s not why I’m trading him, I’m gonna get value back for a middling starter that starts to get expensive next year.

Davies is an idiot. You don’t throw your catcher or pitching coach or whoever he was blaming for his troubles under the bus like he did. Unforgivable. But showing his true lack of character, and if I’m Stearns I hope he pitches better over the next month so I can trade his butt and not sell too low on this coward. I think you're overreacting quite a bit. Regardless of what Davies meant, it's normally for guys to get frustrated and at the end of the day he didn't call anyone but himself out by name. Maybe it was a subtle shot at Hook, maybe it wasn't but it doesn't mean he is some piss poor character lacking individual who needs to be run out of town immediately for some pretty innocent comments. Well, we disagree on this one, and I see what I can get for him at the deadline. I’ll let the GM I’m dealing with know I have to rid him because of what he said, not because he’s really a weak #4/5.

If I’m Stearns I Trade for Bauer at the deadline, Then sell high on Hader, then trade for 2 rental pen arms. I have my Ace for 2 years. My 2 pen arms with my Ace helps me win this year. Then the day after this season is over I convince my owner to up the payroll for 1 year to 180 million, and I sign Garrett Cole, plug holes at C, and 3B, and then, I have the best rotation in baseball, a shutdown bullpen, powerful offense, and go win 118 games, with 65 sellouts, a deep run paying for the payroll and a real good chance to win a World Series. Finally, in the 50th year, and if I’m Mark Attanasio, I’m a hero, and it didn’t cost me a dime. And if I don’t win the series, I’m still a hero, because I upped the payroll for 1 year.

Davies is an idiot. You don’t throw your catcher or pitching coach or whoever he was blaming for his troubles under the bus like he did. Unforgivable. But showing his true lack of character, and if I’m Stearns I hope he pitches better over the next month so I can trade his butt and not sell too low on this coward.

Agreed. And if it was $ shame on us. And if it was wanting to be closer to home, pay for NET JETS to fly him and his family back and forth. And if he and CC had differences, fire CC.

I’m angry too. My anger lies with the fact that we “need” Burnes so bad to pitch in the bullpen that we can’t take the long view like we should with him. He’s a starter period. Should have been in AAA for the last 2 months STARTING. We all know this already. Lack the arms in the pen, lack the arms in the rotation, lack the $ to have a payroll reflective of a team 1 game from the WS. Let’s put the blame where it belongs > lack of PAYROLL. Stearns can only do so much on the CHEAP. Not gonna go any further with that, no need to. We ALL know this already, but we still pretend we have a chance to win it, yeah sure < 1%. Zero for 49 and counting, but who’s counting. 0 for 15 for Attanasio but who’s counting. Local beat writers “astonished” at a 127 mil payroll, meanwhile the Cincinnati reds, a team I would argue not as equipped as us to win, SPENDS MORE ON THEIR PAYROLL THIS YEAR THAN US. 76-86 million GROSS profit, yes GROSS, not NET, since we’ll never know the net but can confidently say another extremely healthy profit for Attanasio & investors. Attanasio has said in the past (can’t remember when, so don’t ask, but someone out there besides me can confirm, because it was said) that he would bankroll profits to increase payroll WHEN NEEDED. WELL ITS NEEDED!!!! Give Stearns the $ to buy a pen arm or 2 so Burnes can pitch where and how he belongs.

Tampa Bay was a very good team in a great league last year. A league in which 97 wins was only good for the 2nd WC spot and 90 wins left them 18 back in the division. They traded their best pitcher(Archer) and got a massive haul in return. I have been against doing the same with Hader, but I think it's something we should start to consider. I don't want to give up Turang, Hiura, Burnes. I'd trade Grisham, but that's is out of ignorance as I know little about him beyond what you can read on the back of his card and on scouting reports. My ideal way forward would be to try and move Moose, Grandal, Anderson, Thames, save some money this year, try to acquire a couple big league ready(or close to) players for the next 2-3 years(the Yelich window) and then go out and spend money next year in a loaded FA market to get a guy like Cole, and then spend to get Will Smith. I'd guess that'd be 6/160 and 2/12. I'm not a "Brewers can spend 180 because they only spent 70 this year" type guy, but they have money coming off the books with Braun and the players I mentioned and they can afford to spend on a pitcher when they have so many young, talented pitchers. Cole and Woodruff give you a 1-2 punch and I believe you throw Burnes in there and you WILL have a great 1-3 with a plethora of 4/5 options and you have a lot of BP options. Hader is great, but we get back Knebel, Wahl and we have a lot of arms coming up this year and in a years time, who knows how many more may be here? Rasmussen? Even Snell could be a left handed weapon late in the year for us(that's very optimistic, but my point is we have a ton of arms and should be able to find 7-10 good arms in the org and if you sign someone like Smith to pair with Knebel, Jeffress, Wahl, that's potentially a very good BP). I am sure many will disagree and if the price gets too outrageous, I wouldn't give up any flexibility for the next few years to sign him. But if not him, I wouldn't touch Strausburg with a 10 foot pole given what he'll likely command(though his stuff, even with his velocity now in "just" the mid 90's is ridiculous). And while there are several other good vets, they don't fit the mold that we need. That's the most likely path to a true contender in MY opinion. I'm sure many will disagree. Good post. Lots of good thoughts. Let me give my thoughts on some of your thoughts: I am of the belief that Attanasio SHOULD up the payroll to 180 in a WS contention year. The days of the Small market team, like the Royals in 15, winning the WS are over. Big market GMs are too wise with the analytics to make the mistakes of the past. The Rays have a < 5% chance of pulling it off this year, and they have done the best job of the small market teams. We can pretend we can win it with our “largest payroll ever”127 mil. When the Brainiac Friedman Epstein has 200-245 to play with. We need to wake up, imo, to this fact. What could Stearns do with an extra 100 mil.?, what could Stearns do with an extra 50 mil? What could Stearns do with the extra 50 mil? That should be the question, in a WS CONTENTION YEAR. Attanasio has said in the past, when the payroll was super low and of course we still came out in droves to miller park, that he would bank $ for future payroll, when needed. Last year 66 mil. GROSS profit(don’t tell me about taxes and interest, I’m well aware it’s not net) PLUS 10-20 mil in playoff revenue 76-86 mil gross. Plus the value of his team up over 127 million LAST YEAR ALONE. Not saying the value of the brewers and payroll should have anything to do with each other. So I have to say I’m of the opposite view with your opinion of no 180 mil payroll when we save $ with a 70 mil payroll. Imagine what Stearns can do with the 180 mil payroll, or 170 mil, because by 2021, the crew will have 25+ extra revenue from national TV and the new local TV deal. So without Braun’s contract plus the extra revenue that’s 35-40 mil extra payroll WITHOUT CHANGING THE PROFITS. So Cole = Yes. Trade Hader > yes, if we can get 3 top 75-125 prospects, at least one of which is ML ready. Trade moose Grandal Anderson others > NO, still want to win this year and don’t need to save $. The REDS have a higher payroll than we do. With Cole Woodruff Houser Burnes Peralta Davies Anderson Knebel Wahl Jeffress Guerra Among others we should be in good shape pitching wise. And with Stearns at the helm, and a payroll of 150-160, should ba able to fill the hole at C and assuming Shaw is done, 3B.

Yes, he’s in my top 3: 1.) Hiura 2.) Rasmussen 3.) Grisham 4.) Turang 5.) Dubon Turang is not the 4th best prospect in this organization. I'll give you Keston, but he's a better prospect than anyone else. In fact I think there's a very good chance he becomes the best player currently in the organization. Rasmussen has been a great story. No way he's passed up a 5 tool SS prospect who's producing. And I need to see more than a few months of Grisham's production before I'd give him the nod as well. 4 tool. Turang doesn’t have the power tool. Rasmussen pre-injury would have been a high 1st round draft pick. I’m not down grading him because he’s being protected, it’s just gonna take longer with him, but potential #1 he is down the road. Grisham is the real deal. The pedigree is there, and now the explosion. I watched him in ST and thought wow, this guy is really good, and it’s carried right on thru. With his advanced plate discipline, imo, he could help the big club NOW, with Cain not right and all. Don’t get me wrong, I love Turang, and he certainly could be our best prospect with Hiura on the big club now, but, I think you could put the 3 in a hat........

How did he do for San Antonio today? Just checked on this myself ... he did not start and is still on the bench as of the 8th inning ... Missions are down 9-1. 9-2. Grisham homered again.

Cain needs time off > IL Grisham rostered then plays Pina DFA’d > Freitas up Cain is hurting this team by trying to play thru these injuries. Everybody can see he’s not right except CC. Pina’s ave lower than Shaw’s. Meanwhile there’s a catcher in AAA hitting 3rd with a .368 ave. With good D.

The bullpen seems short on guys you can trust in the late innings of a one run game. Especially a scenario like this in the 7th inning facing the top of the order. Hopefully they are able to address that over the next month leading up to the trade deadline. Will Smith will do nicely.

It’s his rib cage.

So you take the guy who's been the worst and you make SURE that he never pitches in low leverage situations? Why? I'd think you give him a few outings in lower leverage situations and hope that he can figure it out and start hitting his spots. Unfortunately or fortunately, some pitchers are just better the more stressful the situation and conversely subconsciously “let down”in low leverage situations. Some elite closers are like that. I’m convinced he’s that way.

Braun needs the maintenance, even if he's the best option. I imagine Cain is still dealing with that thumb a bit, at the very least it's probably sore from the injections still. I'll be curious how he looks after the all-star break. I imagine it will be better before then, but he'll also be able to give his body a rest. This would have been a great time to roster Grisham and play him some while Cain gets time to rest and heal up on the IL.

Since the crew has decided to NOT start Burnes again this year, he needs to pitch in high leverage pressure packed situations as much as possible. Outside of Hader and maybe Jeffress, he’s got the best stuff and imo, is the anti-Barnes, keep him as far away from mop up low leverage situations as possible.

I’ll try to do better mr Brew. Thanks for your kind words and advice yet again.

Aguilar has a .263/.349/.368 line in 43 PA in June. Not terrible. For Orlando Arcia or Lorenzo Cain, it's not terrible. For a guy who plays a position of high offensive expectations and only that one position, and plays it poorly, it's far from an ideal line. We don't have room on our roster for a .700 OPS first base only backup. Hopefully he can keep turning things around like he has the last couple games. Agree. Stearns isn’t gonna keep Aguilar around too much longer unless the power shows up.

It's not a dig, it's showing the truth. With Yamamoto doing well with Miami, he's on here telling everyone how he proclaimed Yamamoto was the piece that terrified him at the thought of losing when the Yelich trade was made. He said nothing of the sort. In general, everyone here should rest comfortably that the trade was a slam dunk, home run. Even if all 4 Marlins end up contributing as major leaguers, we don't need people being revisionist about the deal. The Brewers got more than they possibly could have asked for. Well then, how many of us, including me for sure, would want harmless, innocuous statements that we’ve made, researched thru the archives, and thrown back in our face. I know I don’t. I’ve always found TJs posts to be extremely interesting and thoughtful, just like yours TBBC. I cringed reading that, thinking of all the stupid things I said.

Why the dig at TJ? Real question.