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I don't think the scheme is a mess. I think it's a different style of play that relies on more backside help on penetration. I think we all understood that losing Jrue was going to be a MASSIVE loss on that side of the ball, but I think they're figuring it out and adjusting. It's definitely a team that even with Crowder, will have some holes...as opposed to the Celtics who, provided they stay healthy, should have a more well-rounded team. But come playoff time as more physical play is allowed and these guys have had another 4 months together, I don't think we're going to be a terrible defensive team. I do hope all the people who complained about Jrue now appreciate what a stud he was for us. I also hope that as the season passes, Marjon and AJJ can develop a bit more, Crowder comes back at full strength. I don't know if there's a trade the Bucks can still make to add a really good defensive guard. I see Caruso, Dort thrown out there. Who are we trading? Portis I guess? That could work with a healthy Crowder, but you'd have to likely add Marjon. Royce O'neal is another one. As I understand it, you can no longer add salaries to make trades if you're over the 2nd apron, and you can't take more money back(even the 120%+100K or whatever it is exactly). So again, Portis. I saw one proposal to get Caruso and it was a tough pill to swallow. It was Portis, Connaughton, Beauchamp+2 2nds for Alex Caruso and Kenrich Williams. That seems like a TON to give up, but to play devil's advocate, Williams can help cover Portis minutes. He may even thrive as he's a competent 3-point shooter, a solid defender. 28 years old, so not a future star. Caruso is nearly 30, but a really underrated player. It's an unrealistic trade, and while I think Beasley has generally been pretty good for the Bucks...this video alone makes you think, "yeah, maybe we do need to make a move!"

I disagree. USC is a sleeping giant and with Lincoln Riley, they're going to be a good team that should hold the Pac-12 up in the futu-....what's that? They're also jumping ship? Damn, forgot that. Yeah, the Pac12 sucks and is gonna be awful.

Dillon is Rd 2-3 from what I've seen. Then again, you know how these mocks work. There are 100 guys who are 1st rounders in mock drafts. I think Allen is a little better than Dillon the last 2 seasons. So I'll just compare him to the Dillon we have now, I'd take Allen. I think he's got much better feet, I think he's shown he can catch the ball well enough(turned into a strength of Dillon's game). The problem to me is that Dillon started to try and make guys miss. He there was a play this past week where the DL crossed Jenkins face, he kinda blows up the play, but Dillon still had a chance to lower his shoulder and get 2-3 and instead, he tried to bounce it outside like Jones and lose 2-3. I think Allen makes better reads, is more patient, and has better feet. I'll predict he is taken in the early 3rd and by a team that has solid backs(The Eagles are the type of team he'd really excel playing for). As a Packers fan, I'd MUCH rather see the Packers go out and get two guys like...Blake Corum(probably a 4th due to age, use, and injury) and another guy like Ray Davis(Kentucky). A couple of good backs, I don't need "Lightening and Thunder." Just backs who can pick up an LBer in pass pro, hit the hole, catch the ball. Hell, Blake Corum is thought of as a short yardage back. The "short yardage back," is antiquated. I know this is an Allen thread, but I think it's still 50/50 Jones is back another year(probably taking another haircut on his base). Wilson is a big back at 230 and he's got all the physical tools. They may want him to lose a couple of pounds, but I like him. And then there are a lot of good, solid backs who fit our scheme. If Allen does fall into the middle of Day3, I'd consider that, but I THINK @youroutmight be underestimating his value. Though It's so hard to tell before the combine and everything. I don't totally get the "if he were a TE he'd go earlier," comment. But as long as I made this about the Packers and the RB position, Jaheim Bell is SUCH a perfect fit for the Packers. He's a ~6'3 240 TE who's played FB, who's gotten carries, who's really good after the catch(relative to most guys his size). He could be a major weapon in our system and replace Deguara...who never really developed as a blocker or as a pass catcher.

I'm pretty impressed with Dame's level of effort on defense. Nobody will ever confuse him with Jrue, but he's getting deflections, he's playing hard in the post, caused a travel last night, drew a charge. The defensive issues just seem like a communication thing. Clearly we struggle stopping penetration, but with Giannis and Lopez, it should be better. I am seeing some pretty good stretches of play, but not putting it together. Losing Crowder hurts. I like the intensity on this team though.

That's true. It's also terrible for a fan base. Imagine if the Packers couldn't afford to keep Rodgers? The Bucks Giannis? You get a true superstar and you have to trade him before he's hitting his prime-prime years, that's not going to drive interest(just the opposite). I remember when the Brewers lost Molitor. It was a totally different set of circumstances, but it was brutal as a...~6-year-old fan(It was after '91, but I'd been watching him for a few years by then). Similar to losing Prince and we all knew that was coming(and VERY few people were advocating for an extension with him).

It's always worthwhile to reply simply to say I didn't read what you wrote. Here's the long of the short of it. I don't care if "people were saying," they didn't want to trade Hiura for deGrom(who was getting paid a LOT and was due to be a FA at that time, so...again, obviously). I don't need a lesson in how much people liked Hiura. I've been to hundreds of Brewers games, I've been following this team for a minute. Hiura is NOTHING like Chourio. I'll just get back down to the basics and if you want to get back to the whole preamble with the "but people were really excited about Hiura," fine. Nobody wanted to give him a 100M dollar deal(I can speak in those terms as well).

I was talking about Green Bay.

I think the biggest thing he'd have going against him is that he's a defensive coach and OSU likes offensive minded coaches. Beyond that, I think Leonhard is one of the top young coaches in CFB and could easily get a job as a DC for any of the elite programs looking or for multiple NFL teams. His scheme is proven, he can relate to kids and he had a long and successful NFL career. But I'm still hoping for a Wisconsin reunion.

I do not think we have a QB that looks better than Allar. He's got a very real chance to go 1-1 next year.

I was paying very close attention. He was hitting the ball well as a terrible fielding 2B who SEEMED to avoid TJ surgery for the time being. Not even remotely similar to Chourio. I don't know how to quantify how people "felt" to support an anecdote, but lets roll with this. Lets say Chourio hits like Hiura. He's STILL an elite defensive CFer with elite speed. So the "oh, what if he's Hiura," it's really not scaring me when you're talking about an elite defensive CFer who is going to hit for power, even if he strikes out at the rate Hiura does. His defense/base running even at Hiura's .238/.318/.453 line after his rookie year, that'd probably be a 4-5 WAR player(and again, this is your worst case scenario. Yeah, I don't know what the point of this was. Didn't he go back down for a couple weeks at the end of May, then come back up and hit even better? He spend like 3 weeks back down. But not sure what this has to do with your argument that Hiura is somehow comprable to Chourio. I don't know nor care to argue about these silly extreme and likely revisionist views you have. I did NOT say people weren't happy with him. I don't think there was the inference that he was better than deGrom. The "People" could be Clancy who still believes the great mistake of the Brewers franchise the past 25 years was squandering Braun at 3B and that we shouldn't do the same with Chourio at SS. So the "folks flipping out," at a trade for deGrom, my guess would be your dumbing it down significantly and it's as much about the monster contract that came with deGrom and the fact that the Brewers had pitching, but I don't know what point you're trying to convey. People really liked Hiura? AWESOME. So did I. That doesn't change the main point. HE IS NOT CHOURIO. HE WAS A BLACK HOLE DEFENSIVELY WHO PROVIDED NO VALUE ELSEWHERE. What disastrous injury? Like the torn ACL the unanimous Acuna Jr had this year? Yeah, he came back from that just fine. He's not a pitcher. And again, if he hits, you lose a perennial MVP candidate. If he's JUST Hiura, you're paying a little extra for an elite defender who hits for power and has exceptional speed. Downside-You get a 2-3 WAR player and you pay him market value instead of getting him cheap. The Upside-You get to keep a guy through the prime of his career on a significantly below market deal and the Brewers aren't in the same position the Braves WOULD be in right now with Acuna Jr. But PLEASE stop using, "people really liked Hiura, they wouldn't trade him for deGrom." By the way, just looking back, deGrom was in arbitration and due to become a FA at that time. I wouldn't trade Frelick for a pitcher who I know is going to leave and is a rental right now. That has literally zero correlation to signing Chourio.

IT doesn't suit the narrative.

I'd say Sheffield could be in that conversation...but Chourio has a much better attitude and the Brewers aren't in the same position. But that's it. The two prospects who are even remotely comparable through age 19 are two HOF-caliber players.

And...with those "struggles," we're a game out of the #1 seed. Gonna be a battle to avoid being that play-in team!

Just for ONE tiny, split second, stop and wonder if it's not everyone else who "doesn't get it," but maybe you? The Braves seem to "get it." The Pads seemed to "get it," with Tatis." The Mariners "got it," with Rodriguez. The latter two got it later than this, but they got it.

You don't see the downside in paying 300M in a year from now what you could get for 100M now? Man, I hope you're not a financial advisor...200M fewer dollars to build a team is a significant amount of "downside."

Nonsense. Chourio is going to have significant value even if he's NOT a 900 OPS hitter. Hiura had NO value. The two also just aren't remotely comparable beyond the both played the game of Baseball.

A-Please stop with the Hiura stuff. He's not part of the organization. B-The State fulfilling their duties as the landlord has NOTHING to do with how the Brewers allocate payroll. I don't go and spend money to fix the plumbing and put a new roof on an apartment and then browbeat the tenants because they buy a flat-screen TV. One is MY responsibility, the other is entirely their business. C-"could do this a year or two from now without costing us much?" That's just not accurate. If you do this now, you can bring him up and have him spend the entire year in the league, possibly earning another draft pick. Can't do that if you're doing the service time manipulation. But more importantly, if he has two big seasons, a top 3 ROY-type season, and then just a good but not great, season as a 21-year-old, it probably costs another hundred million to extend him. We just saw the Nationals offer Soto nearly 400M on a 10-year deal after waiting a couple of years and he turned it down. So yeah, it could VERY easily cost us to wait. Likely the opportunity to extend him altogether as you can't sign a player like this to a fair market deal, you have to extend them early. I'm baffled that people are against this.

Right, OR just imagine we had Ronald Acuna Jr. We'd be looking at trading him without this type of deal, THIS off-season. How miserable would that be? Your fan base would be complaining you're just a minor league team for the big market teams. And maybe Chourio doesn't agree, but I think you have more to lose by NOT signing him than vice versa.

They're starting to look like the Saints. Not quite that bad, but just jumping through hoops with the Cap to be an average team. They did have 13 wins last year, but we all know how legit that was.

LOL...there HAS to be a better way to articulate this! Seriously though, I wouldn't trade Taylor. I don't know that you get a ton for him and it certainly doesn't hurt to have an athletic RHed bet off the bench.

I get it doesn't suit his style as well as it suits Mellusi, but I still think he's better back irrespective of the scheme.

I wouldn't feel the need to do anything in the OF...other than give Chourio almost every start. Preferably they put Frelick in LF to start most games(maybe sit him on occasion vs tough lefties) and in RF you platoon Mitchell/Wiemer or start Wiemer in AAA. But an OF combination with any of the 4 young guys and Taylor gives you probably the best OF defense in the game. I imagine Yelich will still get thrown out in LF for another year, but it'd really make more sense to try and DH him or play him at 1B in camp, see if he can still play there at a high enough level. Just start the transition. We saw the impact Frelick made without being an offensive juggernaut, the same with Wiemer and Mitchell. Their speed and defense energize a team. If they just start to hit like they're expected, it's going to be an awesome OF.

It really wouldn't make sense for it to be much less. I guess the ideal contract would be 8 years with 4 team options, but unlikely he'd agree to that. 10 years, 2 option years. 150M GTD would be on the high end. 10/100 would be the sweet spot IMO.

Mellusi was not the better RB for any scheme. The scheme may fit Mellusi better, Allen was clearly the superior back and it's incredible it took them as long to realize that as it did. They finally started just giving Allen the ball after the loss to WSU and he started dominating...and Mellusi was injured late in that Purdue game. He's a nice back and he's good out of the backfield, but he's not on the level of Allen in a WingT, a Veer, or a spread. Give me Allen in every scheme.

The Packers actually had a self-imposed limit due to their cap situation. Some teams were spending 150K on an UDFA, but that's a kicker or a priority edge(I'd say a guy like Brenton Cox Jr, but he still came here). I don't believe we spent over 15K on anyone. But, I take your point. A veteran leader who's bought in is always important. Haven't seen Allen say he's not playing in the Bowl game yet, but I assume that's coming soon.