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Sonja Henie's out... Maybe Mitch Comestein? If Webb does go to AAA, Tim Dillard has got to do a bit on his twitter feed with Webb and Noonan.

Except he was traded to Miami a couple months ago. ..and then traded back to Milwaukee on June 16th. Apparently he got caught messing around with Jeff Loria's niece.

If Ty Webb is going to be on the active roster, I think it only makes sense that they also bring up Noonan from Col Springs...right?

Yeah, I think JohnBriggs12 mentioned that Ray is not as good as Jimenez. Regardless of where Jimenez is ranked on the prospect list, not sure how you can equate him to AAA/MLB players like Hader and Brinson. Seems like many are completely just disregarding that Quintana has started 169 MLB games and is controllable through 2020.

I was thinking that as well. There is also a pitcher for Illinois that graduated last year from Menomonee Falls who's name is Ty Webber.

Ha...take that Cubs! Who did they give up?

I know that right now the Brewers are 5.5 games in first place. Regardless of how many prospects they have or the progress of their rebuild, I don't know what place the Brewers will end up in over the next 4 years. I know the Brewers went through a rebuild before and I believe had the top ranked farm system at one point. They had some of the top ranked prospects (Fielder, Weeks, Braun, Hardy, Hart, Gallardo). This did not translate to a long string of successful years. It translated to 2 playoff appearances. I don't know if the current rebuild will end up more successful or less successful than that. Again, what I do know, is that they are currently 5.5 games in first place. I'm not going to be overly upset if they do nothing (I will be a bit frustrated...we are 5.5 games in front!! right now!), but I sure hope that when we finally get to this "Brewer's golden era" that everyone is expecting with the current rebuild, that there still is not this complete aversion to trading some prospects (with unknown futures) in order to add needed pieces (that have proven MLB track records).

Not sure I agree with this. Brinson and Hader both have at least had a taste of MLB experience. They are AAA/MLB players. Jimenez and Cease are A ball players that are still at least 2 years away from MLB. Quintana has proven himself and should be able to solidly contribute the the Cubs starting pitching for the next 3+ years. I don't think this trade is nearly as laughable or one sided as most others on this board do. If Quintana was a half year rental or even a FA after next year, I would get the criticism of the trade, but there is a good chance that at least one of the two main prospects that they traded away will not pan out. I just don't have the blind faith confidence in prospects like others do I guess. Edit: Nottingham and Cooper are also at a more advanced level than Rose and Flete (who are also A ball players).

Giving up #1 and #2 in the system does seem like a lot, especially a guy like Jimenez that is a top 10 overall prospect. However, they are both in A ball and a lot can happen between A ball and MLB. There are no guarantees with either of those guys. Quintana has 169 MLB starts under his belt and is a proven MLB pitcher who is controllable for a few years. Would not mind this trade at all if I were a Cubs fan.

I'd be a much bigger fan of church festivals and summer outdoor festivals in general if they had mixed drink options. Not a big beer drinker.

In response to GAME05's post (don't want to quote the whole thing). I remember going camping with my friends shortly after we graduated HS when we were 18. This was when the drinking age was 18 (in Wisconsin). Of course we had alcohol and as dumb teenagers one of us left a bottle of Jack Daniels outside of our tent in full sight of everyone. A Ranger came up to our tent and was asking all types of questions and then in a "Peter Falk/Columbo" type fashion says..."oh, one more thing, that's not a bottle of Jack Daniels I see right there is it?" Caught red handed we don't really say anything and just stand there with stupid smirks on our face. All he says is "Get it out of sight" and then walks away. This was 1984 and so it was a little different than it is today.

While I'm very surprised at the Cubs struggles so far this year, it's only a little over 3 months of baseball. I still think they have a very talented team that can get hot at any moment and, unfortunately, I'm confident that they will be very competitive for at least the next 3 years. I don't think they will be reluctant to spend money during the FA season.

Exactly the same for me. That's great that we have a couple of adults on these forums. Question: Do either of you have families that you buy nice seats for? Yes, not a big family though. Just me, my wife, and my son...and now that my son is in college and can only attend a handful of games from our 20 game pack, we cut it down to 2 seats. Is your argument that if you can't afford something you should just take it anyways?

Exactly the same for me.

I wasn't really trying to correct her, but rather trying to understand her logic. If you are going to set the toaster to the highest level and then just pop the toast manually when you think it's done, why not just put it closer to the level of when you want it to be done and let the toaster do the work? I understand that it's trial and error, but eventually you figure out the correct setting. It sounded like this is always how she makes toast, even at home. I don't make toast at work, so it was not a matter of waiting for her. The conversation started because someone in the office burnt their toast (someone who has done this before). I was talking to her about this when she stated how she does it and thought well, that's why this person probably burns his toast on a regular basis, because he doesn't expect the toaster to be at the highest level.

Well, it also has a settings dial which is basically a timer (even though it is not technically called a timer). The higher you set it at, the longer the toast will sit in the toaster before automatically popping up (and the longer it sits in the toaster, the darker it gets). You are not adjusting temperature when you set that dial, you are adjusting waiting time. My frustration with the conversation I had a work was that this person is under the belief that if she sets the toaster at the top level and then manually ejects the toast when she believes it is "done" she's saving time (rather than just setting the toaster at the correct level to begin with).

So, had this discussion with someone in our office about how they toast their bread. This person states that they always just put it at the highest level and then pop it up manually when the bread is toasted at a level where they want it. Never heard of anyone doing it this way and asked, why don't you just set it at the correct level and let it pop up on it's own. She said it's quicker her way (even if this was true, how much quicker do you need a toaster to be?). I didn't get into the whole discussion with her, but isn't the dial just a timer (not something that sets the heat level in the toaster)? So, after this conversation, I did a little research on the internet which confused me even more. I found these two sites that talk about it: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a13823/why-the-numbers-on-your-toaster-are-meaningless-17517402/ http://www.snopes.com/a-toaster-dial-is-for-minutes-not-level-of-toasty-ness/ I never assumed that each mark on the dial represented one minute, but I do assume that the higher place the dial, the longer the toast will toast until it automatically pops "more time = more toasty-ness", so it's not any quicker to set it at high and pop it when you think it's done. This is the part that confuses me about those sites: As the narrator explains, most toasters are too cheap to have a timing chip. Instead, they rely upon a metal strip that curves when heated, and the numerical setting simply tells the toaster how far that strip must bend before it triggers the toast to pop. Toaster's technically do not have a timer, but in a sense the metal strip and how long it takes it to curve basically acts as a timer...right? The metal strip always curves at the same rate so the higher you set the dial, the longer the toast will sit in the toaster until the strip is at the correct "curvature". If you don't want it to go to full curvature and are going to hit the manual pop-up at less than full curvature why would you not just eventually figure out the correct setting for that level of curvature and leave it there? There is no "time-saving" going on by setting it at the highest level and manually popping it when you think it's done. Am I missing something here?

The funny thing about my son's choice of Kashmir is I think it's partially influenced by the movie "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" (Again, he's 19 - born 16 years after the movie came out). Damone: "When it comes down to making out, whenever possible, put on Side One of Led Zeppelin IV." Then cut to Ratner in the car with his date playing Kashmir (which is actually from Physical Graffiti and not Led Zeppelin IV).

My son never had walk up music when he played varsity (although he and his teammates would lobby hard for it every year - even if it was just for senior night or for the season end DH they played at Whitewater every year). However, he now plays for land o' lakes and they have walk up music (well, we played the first game, then got a job that interferes with most of the games they play on Saturdays). As a 19 year old, the walk up music he has chosen is Jimi Henrdrix' 'All along the watchtower' and Zepplin's 'Kashmir'. Ahhh....I have taught him well.

I'm more surprised at the Cubs record than I am the Brewer's record. While I didn't quite expect the Brewers to be 3 games above .500 on June 15th, I would have expected them to have to be at least 10 games above .500 at this point in order to have a 2 game lead. If their bullpen was stronger and could have held on to some of those leads that were blown, they could have been 4 or 5 games in 1st.

Each pick has a slot value for signing bonuses. Players can cut deals with teams so they can get drafted higher. Signing for underslot leaves the team with a bigger portion of their bonus pool which allows them to spread it out more throughout the draft. If some sites like Baseball America and Bleacher Report had him picked as high as 5th or 6th in their mock drafts, why would he agree to a lesser bonus that what his draft slot calls for?

He's on my fantasy team (yes, it's a deep fantasy league - 11 owners, NL only, 23 player roster with 10 pitchers). When I looked at my live stats last night I thought, that's gotta be a system glitch or something.

For the most part I agree with the pitchers mentioned in this post and I'm not going to go through the exercise of trying to rank the top 12, but there seems to be a general agreement that Higuera and Caldwell were the top 2 (with a possible argument for Sheets as well). While I believe Higuera's top years were probably a bit better than Caldwell's, I'm going to go with my old-timers heart and give the overall nod to Caldwell. Not that Higuera did not have his fair share of complete games (I think somewhere around 25%), but Caldwell completed an amazing 32% of the games he started. Because of the number of complete games starters had back prior to about 1990, I think I'll always hold those pitchers in higher regard than the starting pitchers of today. Another pitcher that I think definitely deserves consideration in the top 12 is Larry Sorensen. 52-46 in 4 years with the Brewers. 3.72 ERA, 854IP, 173BB, 252K, 12.3 War, All Star appearance in 1978 and he was part of the trade with the Cards that netted the Brewers Fingers, Simmons, and Vuckovich

Yep. Thames needs to get healthy. Franklin is worthless. I'll vote Cooper. WTH. I'd like to see Cooper get called up as well, just to hear "Coooooop" again from the Brewer crowd. I also think he should be forced to take uniform number 15. Too bad he's not a lefty batter.

I get rebuilding, but I don't get wasting opportunities when they present themselves. If the Brewers are fringe wildcard contenders in July, then I could probably get behind a trade like this one. However, if they somehow found themselves in 1st place by 4 or 5 games, as a fan I would expect them to trade some of those future pieces to get proven talent and solidify their position for a post season run this year. If the point of rebuilding is to possibly be in contention at some point down the road, why would you waste the opportunity when you know you are in contention now? I think there are many that want to believe that there is some magical rebuild formula that will allow the Brewers to contend for 4, 5, 6+ years. Remember not that long ago when the Brewers had all that home grown talent on the roster? They already had a one time #5 BA prospect in Ben Sheets on the team, then they added a #8 and #11 in Weeks and Fielder along with a #16 in Gallardo. They had other highly touted prospects like Hart and Hardy join the MLB team around the same time. Seemed like it was going to be a golden age with possibilities of contending for several years in a row. In reality the success was a sporadic (2 playoff appearances), Fielder eventually became not affordable (and not really a good fit in the NL), Weeks never really fully lived up to his prospect status and had injury issues, same with Gallardo. Sheets became injury prone. Hart fizzled out. In reality, I'm not counting on the Brewers to be in solid contention in July. However, if they are, I don't understand why you would not ride that success because you are afraid of risking future success that may or may not happen.