Patrick425

So, I was trying to scan through all the posts in this thread and get an idea of how much longer they would have to keep him on the roster before DLing him (if that is really an option). I thought I saw something like 10 more days, but then I also keep seeing a total of 90 days? If it's a total of 90 days then it seems like he would have to be on the roster for another month+. Way too long in my opinion. He's already been on the roster 50 days too long.

Wow..I thought I was pessimistic!

If Wang was not a Rule 5 pitcher and for some inexplicable reason Wang was on the active roster I don't think there would be one person on this board not clamoring for him to be sent down. So, I'm not really buying all of this "He's not doing any harm or costing us any games so whats the big deal" as being the reason for not getting rid of him. If it were any other situation, no one would want him on the active roster. I think it's simply a difference of opinion of whether the risk/reward is worth it. I personally don't think it is. Not for a contending team. In my opinion a contending team should not have a player with only rookie league experience and who has shown that he's no where near ready for the majors on the active roster. If we were the Astros or Cubs or a team like that, fine, but not this year for the Brewers.

You do realize that there are ways to cost a team a win as a pitcher other than actually giving up the lead in a game, right? Who do you think Roenicke should have pitched last night instead of Wang? How many teams have used one position player to pitch this year, much less 2?! Tonight's game is turning into a "mop up" type game, so now what do they do? Wang threw a lot of pitches last night, so I'm guessing he will not be used, so they have to turn to using the "actual" pitchers with the threat of having another situation in the near future that Wang needs to be used in a close game situation because we have run out of arms? Can you see how Wang can cost the Brewers games without actually pitching? What ways are those? Because last I checked the games were still decided based on runs, the Braves scored 5 runs on non-Wang pitchers, and the Brewers only scored 4 (including getting to hit against not-Kimbrel). There is zero reason to use Wang in close games. Roenicke is an idiot for having used him last night, because now in an actual mop-up situation he won't be available most likely. We got through almost two months with an incredible record, a high number of 1-2 run games taxing the back of the bullpen, with the best record in baseball, and Wang was not an issue. Now he is a huge problem because our offense sucks?? Again, please tell me who you think Roenicke should have used in that situation. Saying for certainty that Wang has not cost the Brewers any games is like saying that Overbay or Bianchi has not cost the Brewers any games. There is a very good chance that horrible offensive numbers that some of the bench players have put up has possibly cost the Brewers runs and opportunities to win an additional game or two. After 46 games there is a pitcher in the bullpen who has only pitched 7 2/3 innings (and not very effectively). If you can't see how this may put a strain on other arms in the bullpen and possibly cost the Brewers a game or two because of other pitchers being forced to pitch when they shouldn't, then I'm not sure how to make my point. They are basically playing with 24 players while the rest of the league plays with 25. The Brewers still have a good record with Wang and will probably not end up winning only 60 games because he is on the team. However sometimes the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs is one or two games. Edit: To be fair, I was going by how Schroeder and BA were reacting to putting Wang in without looking at who had pitched recently. You are correct, Not sure why they didn't put in someone like Duke who had only pitched 1 2/3 innings in the previous 4 games.

You do realize that there are ways to cost a team a win as a pitcher other than actually giving up the lead in a game, right? Who do you think Roenicke should have pitched last night instead of Wang? How many teams have used one position player to pitch this year, much less 2?! Tonight's game is turning into a "mop up" type game, so now what do they do? Wang threw a lot of pitches last night, so I'm guessing he will not be used, so they have to turn to using the "actual" pitchers with the threat of having another situation in the near future that Wang needs to be used in a close game situation because we have run out of arms? Can you see how Wang can cost the Brewers games without actually pitching?

This would be a better argument if Lyle Overbay, Jeff Bianchi, etc. weren't on the team. You could cut Overbay, call up another RP in his place, and use Gallardo as a PH and the team would literally be better off. That would be a better argument if just about every team in MLB didn't have backup position players such as Overbay and Bianchi on the bench. Without looking, I'm pretty sure that there is no other MLB team that currently has a pitcher who has been on their active roster since the start of the season (without ever missing time because of an injury) that has only 7 IP with a 17+ ERA...oh and has only pitched as high as Rookie level ball prior to this season. You could have Overbay or Bianchi pitch in place of Wang and the the team would literally be better off.

I don't know whether or not he has a future, but even if he's got a chance to be the next Johan Santana, the Brewers should not be keeping him this year. If we were the Astros or Cubs or a team with really no chance of competing this year, then I could see it. That's kind of the point. They have such little confidence in him pitching well at this point in his career that he is on pace to pitch 26 innings this year. I don't understand how a contending team can keep a guy like this in their bullpen. How realistic is the DL scenario that some are mentioning on here? Doesn't seem likely to me. Seems like it goes against the spirit of the "Rule 5" rules and that it would be pretty obvious to MLB that the Brewers would be trying to create a loophole in order to get Wang off the active roster and not be in danger of losing him. It would be great if they could do that, but then it seems like the rules surrounding the Rule 5 draft are pretty weak. Also, this thought that Kimbrel was coming in and we were proabably not going to win anyways really surprises me. Is this how it's going to be this year? RRR has to basically decide when a game is "unwinable". What defines "unwinable"? Down by 6 in the 1st? Down by 4 in the 4th? Down by 3 in the 7th? Personally, I'd like to not just give up in any of those games.

So, if MLB said that the Brewers had to play with a 24 man roster and every other team could play with a 25 man roster would some of you be Ok with that? That's basically what the Brewers are doing, because Wang has zero worth right now at the Major League level. For a contending team to keep him in the bullpen is completely ridiculous. They might as well just put an extra position player on the roster and throw Bianchi out there to pitch every 10 or 15 days. Also, I'm not sure how anyone can say with certainty that Wang has not cost the Brewers any games. If the Brewers had an available pitcher last night for the 8th inning that at least had a possiblity of holding Atlanta scoreless and they go to the 9th down by 1 (or even 2), the approach at the plate is different. I know Kimbrel is possibly the best closer in baseball, but I'll still like my chances better being down 1 or 2 than being down by 5 or 6 (or whatever it was). Also, there is a chain effect in regards to other bullpen arms. If you have one guy in the bullpen who is on pace to pitch a total of 26 innings this year, then that means that other pitchers are pitching more than they normally would. This will eventually have an effect on the rest of the bullpen arms. The Brewer starting pitchers have done a great job of going deep in ballgames so far this year. What is it, something like 34 out of 45 starts have been quality starts? I don't think it's realistic to expect that success rate to continue and the bullpen will need to be called on more and more. Having a rookie ball pitcher in the bullpen is not going to be helpful at all going forward.

Having a Rookie League pitcher on the active roster is a joke. This experiment has to end.

Let the batting practice begin. WCW has to go.

It clearly looks like RRR is conceding.

Again, to clarify, the Cubs are somewhat forced to play more day games because of the city ordinance that only allows for so many night games.

I could be wrong, but I thought there was some Wrigleyville ordinance that was in place that dictated how many night games that the cubs were allowed to play in a season...or at least there use to be. edit: There is an ordinance - should have looked this up before I posted: http://chicagoist.com/2013/12/04/wrigley_field_night_game_ordinance.php

I don't think they had regional covers back in the 80's

What about Bambi: http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1979/0430_large.jpg

Wow, that has to be maddening. I'm assuming that contacting the parents is a waste of time and that many of them would attempt to throw the blame right back at you. My dad taught in MPS for over 30 years. He said in the early years he could joke around with the class and have fun and at the same time still have productive and meaningful lessons. He decided to retire (about 20 years ago) when it started to become more of a "babysitting" job. I still remember when I was living at home during some of those later years how worn down and stressed he would be when he would come home from work. I always felt so bad that his career had to end in that fashion, because in the early years he really loved his job and the students he taught really liked and respected him.

Why is it that whenever the Biography channel does a bio of a rock band they don't have rights to the music of that band? They always end up playing some generic background "rock" music while telling the band's story. These bios would be much more enjoyable if they could play the music of the bands and show some actual footage of them in concert (Instead of showing the same still pictures of the band members over and over throughout the show).

I love muggy

I love nostalgia like that (probably because I'm old!). This is a pretty good site to revisit some Milwaukee memories of days gone by (even has some old WOKY promos and other old sound bites): http://www.retrocom.com/retromilw/milwretro.htm

I had no idea until this morning that Nolan Arenado with Colorado had such a long hitting streak going. Doesn't seem like the type of hitter that would put together a streak like that.

Another example of what a odd year it was...Rollie Fingers won both the MVP and Cy Young.

Close' date=' but it was the Cards that had the most wins in the combined halves. Odd that the Brews and Cards both got retribution the very next year.[/quote] Actually it was the Reds: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1981/Y_1981.htm Reds: 66-42 Cards: 59-43-1 Regardless - They both had the best overall record in their respective divisions and neither went to the playoffs. Good trivia questions.

I do. I remember that year and even thought the Brewers made the playoffs it was very disappointing. The Brewers had great teams from 78-82 and I feel like they got cheated in 81. Overall they had the best record in the division (if you combined the two "half seasons") and I'd like to believe that, with out the strike, they would have won the division anyways and not had to play the "division series" against the Yankees. If there was a wild card back then, I think the Brewers would have made the playoffs in both 78 and 79. The team that really got the shaft in 1981 was the Reds. They finished 2nd in their division in both halves and did not make the playoffs even though I believe they had the best record in baseball (if you combined the two halves).

You mean the current Jimmy Nelson? The one who has actually pitched at every level and is currently ranked 96th in Baseball America's top 100 prospects? If that's the Jimmy Nelson you are talking about, then no, I would not have as big of a problem. If you are talking about the 21 year old Jimmy Nelson I don't think it's relevent. He was drafted in the 2nd round and I doubt that any team (if hadn't been the Brewers that drafted him) would have allowed him to become a Rule 5. I understand the whole story about Wang becoming a Rule 5 guy with his contract language, but I'm guessing that Pittsburgh would have made sure he was on the 40 man roster had they thought he would have the same level of talent that Jimmy Nelson currently has.

Yes...very annoying. When this was brought up last year in a thread, someone said that it's happening in all ball parks, but I have not seen that (definitely not at Miller). I think Cincy is the only place where I have really noticed it. Do they do it because they know it's really annoying?