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To me we know enough. We know that the Dodgers were taking all Braun's salary and that was enough for me. Puig+BMac was a good enough return and the prospects were gravy no matter what value they held. But I do agree with the second part. If he hits .400 in the playoffs and carries us to a World Series I'll gladly admit it was all worth it. I just flat out don't think he's good enough anymore.

Present I'm in favor of every struggling Brewer to turn it around and start crushing baseballs Tip of the cap to you sir, I agree you're right about that.

Where are the guys that reminded us daily about how awful Villar is and how we should just he happy to see Perez performing respectably at 2B even if it isn't our top choice?

He is actually proving how silly it was to sign Sogard. There is always some scrap heap scrub every year who outperforms expectations for a few weeks and you don't spend a few million on a guy who just happened to be that guy last year.

I've never heard of any insinuation that Puig would have refused to play here and I'm sure the Brewers didn't have any such indication from Puig or his agent with how close they were to trading for him. An MLB player cannot just refuse to play for a team they are traded to, not if they want to continue to collect their contract salary anyway which I presume he would have preferred to.

Right there with ya. I want the Brewers to be patient but if it is an option between Woodruff and Peralta to go down, right now it should be Woodruff. Peralta shouldn't go anywhere for now, agreed. To me its between Woodruff and Guerra.

No, but since we insist on going "day to day" with every injury we have and play constantly with 23 and 24 man rosters, going to the pen in the 2nd is not something we can really afford even with a day off tomorrow.

I have been all aboard the "Give Woodruff a shot and leave him alone" train, but he's infuriating me today. If walking a horrible hitting Avila leads to a run, I'll pack his bags to Colorado Springs.

It would have been very smart to do for the reasons Trwi said. It was never about the prospects or return. It was about getting rid of Braun. And Puig was nearly a 4 WAR player last season. They've clearly been better than Braun and most importantly don't cost anything after 2018.

I still don't think I'd make that trade today. Salary and performance wise, McCarthy and Puig have not done better than Braun over that time period, and arguably have been worse. The only potential silver lining that could have come out of the trade would be to turn around and try to trade off Puig for some minor league help. I'm against CHL's opinion for other reasons, because he makes some very strong assumptions as to how easy the trade was to make, but we'd be out of McCarthy and Puig's contracts this year pretty much. And McCarthy pitched fairly well last year. Not sure what you mean. It WAS that easy. We had Puig, we had BMac, and we had a prospect. Most importantly, we had Braun off the books. We had it done and haggled over the 2nd prospect and let it all far apart in the 11th hour.

I am amazed that you are amazed. Braun is a not very good player making a lot of money. Trading him would have been an excellent thing for the franchise.

Hey guys, just something you might want to try: STOP WALKING GUYS. Just freaking STOP already!! The last 3 scores by the Diamondbacks have had a run originating from a walk. I don't care if you need to throw a get me over BP pitch, if there's no one on, just THROW IT IN THE STRIKE ZONE. This game looks different entirely if Woodruff just gives up a solo bomb rather than walking a hitter first.

I'll take a crack at it with my theories: 1) One portion of Brewer fans were nostalgic about Braun in the same way some Packer fans were nostalgic about Favre and didn't want to see him go no matter what the return was. 2) Another portion of Brewer fans really don't want to trade a player anytime he's playing well, which is kind of silly to me because this is when they're at peak value. We were rebuilding so it still made a ton of sense. It's not like we were a contender in 2016 and needed Braun for September. Braun's stock was sky high and has since bottomed out. 3) A third group didn't like what we were getting and/or didn't think it was enough, because of a highly unrealistic surplus value that they put on Braun. Proposals often included outlandish demands like Bellinger, DeLeon, or Verdugo, or some combination of them! Puig/McCarthy + 2 prospects was already insanely in our favor regardless of the quality of the prospects and unfortunately Stearns didn't take advantage of the moment to get it done at the deadline when moves are often made out of desperation or immediate need rather than logic. Unfortunately by the offseason it was already too late and the Dodgers had a much more realistic valuation of Braun. Trading Braun was only 30% about what we were getting back and 70% about clearing payroll and moving toward the future rather than clinging to the past. I can't stress this enough -- not dealing Braun in 2016 was a catastrophic mistake by a GM that I otherwise admire greatly. Its possible there was influence from above him. Don't get me wrong -- this mistake can be overcome. But it puts us in a far worse position this year and through 2020 than we otherwise would have been. These things would have been accomplished with a Braun trade: - Acquired more useful, lower cost pieces (BMac is garbage, but at least off the books after this season, and Puig was a 4 WAR player last year who would have been either useful for the team or a useful trade piece) - Strengthened the farm with 2 additional prospects - Cleared a huge amount of salary to use to help this team assemble that final piece here toward building a championship team. People were often fond of saying when the payroll was $60M, "The money we are paying Braun isn't preventing us from doing anything else we want." That quite obviously is no longer the case. - Prevented us from the obligation of carrying a roster spot for a broken down Braun the next few years because of all the money we're paying him. - Cleared any perceived roster 'logjam' this season - Distanced us from a player who frankly reflects negatively on our franchise to the rest of baseball and allowed us to focus our PR efforts on building around a new franchise face (Hader? Yelich?) What's done is done. We can't change it now. We just have have to make the best of it. But hopefully the FO learns from history.

Not if they DFA him. Sorry not sorry. You don't have to apologize for that thought to him, he was the one who originally asked the question of how long you let an unproductive Braun remain on the roster and he was mocked mercilessly like it was the most ridiculous question ever proposed.

Pitchers using pine tar for one. You said there are other rules that are broken and not enforced. This is a bad example, because it is enforced when a player is caught. - Batter requirement to stay in the box - No fraternization between players - Calling a 'ball' when the pitcher takes too long to deliver the pitch - Batter must make an attempt to avoid pitch to be awarded base

I really hope that's not the reason. We don't need Braun's .268 OBP in the lineup that badly in Minnesota to go an entire man down the entire Arizona series when any of Choi, Phillips or Broxton could come up and help and be available the entire time. If he's not healthy enough to play, he should be on the DL. As bad as he has looked lately you would think it would be preferable to see if he looks any better after 10 days off than just plug him right back in. They can go with Aguilar at 1st, Santana in RF and Choi at DH, or Perez in the OF and Santana at DH.

That and letting the pitcher hit only to pull him a few outs later. Don't understand why Counsell and the front office have such ridiculous mental blocks in those two things because they're pretty good otherwise. I get giving braun time off, i think we should move him. He lost his passion after his back surgery and just isnt healthy enough at this level at his age. An American League team could use him at DH. We are well past the point of this being an opportunity for us. Braun's salary alone makes a trade difficult as no one is paying $18-20M a year for Braun at this point. Add in his no trade clause and interest only in the Dodgers and we are stuck with him through 2020.

Braun should have been on the DL the same day he got scratched or day after to give someone else enough time to come up. He's constantly day to day with something or only available to PH and been hitting like garbage anyway, at this point he could use 10 days off. Amazing that this team which seems to flawlessly manage everything else cannot manage the 10 day DL.

Tough to waste Chacin's performance as the final matchup tomorrow definitely favors Arizona. But maybe Woodruff will surprise us.

The run given up in the 8th was avoidable, but like so many games this year, this one is on the offense. Won't win many games with 1 freaking run.

Get the damn bat off your shoulders JV.

Go screw yourself Blue. C'mon Craig, get out there and say something, he's been screwing us all night. And once again, not hustling may cost us big.

My problem was that Williams is walking 18% of the batters he faces this season and a lead off walk in the 8th inning of a tie game is something they couldn’t afford. I agree it was questionable, but it wouldn't be an issue if Logan could occasionally retire a lefty. It is literally by definition his one and only job. 2 outs and he leaves a hanging slider right over the heart of the plate.

Lefties are now 4 of 6 reaching base against Logan. Why again was he signed?

Logan isn't good.