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You’re not going to start Bauers over Vaughn especially with a lefty opener. He’ll get into the game in some capacity later.
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So we have two lefties in our top 4 against Pomeranz, including Turang batting #2… (sigh)… guess we can forget about jumping out to a great start tonight. Ortiz at SS, so still have the black hole of Perkins/Ortiz at 8/9. At least Chourio is leading off. J Chourio (R) LF B Turang (L) 2B W Contreras (R) C C Yelich (L) DH A Vaughn (R) 1B S Frelick (L) RF C Durbin (R) 3B B Perkins (S) CF J Ortiz (R) SS
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I probably will not sleep at all tonight regardless, it’s just a matter of whether it will be from exhilaration or somber depression.
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I mean… by design, your highest leverage relievers are better than your best starting pitchers. Just in shorter spurts. We’re just desperately trying to have a clean start and go from there. I don’t know what being a two pitch pitcher has to do with anything. Most high leverage relievers are. Don’t get me wrong, it could go bad. But anyone could. We’ve used our best starting pitcher twice, our second best starting pitcher once, and our best lefty reliever once. Nothing has worked.
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Yeah I wouldn’t bat Turang inside the top 5. I think you can make a case for him at 9 if Mona starts for Ortiz. I can understand how you could still make the case for Yelich at #3,
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I like it for the regular season. I don’t think that’s going to put up a threat in the 1st against Pomeranz.
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So with Pomeranz starting, do we load up on righties in the lineup early on? Would it be absolutely crazy to start Mona, put him in the 2 hole between Chourio and Contreras, bat Vaughn cleanup and then switch Mona out for Ortiz maybe after his 2nd AB? Maybe even a double switch later to move Ortiz’ spot all the way down the order? Do we really want to waste the first ABs of Yelich and Turang against a reliever that obliterates lefties? Lot to consider here.
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I hope people are right about Yelich, but I guess I don’t know why anyone expects something big from him in a big moment just because he’s been here the most. With all respect intended for Yelich, he’s never exactly been Mr. October. Not bad, just nothing exceptional. Less power, more OBP, small sample size, of course. Smaller sample size, but Jackson Chourio has been the guy you want at the plate in October.
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Pomeranz destroys lefties. Leading Yelich off tonight would be complete malpractice, and I would not be opposed to keeping him, Turang, or Frelick out of the initial starting lineup, with the intent to add them after the first time through the order. Frelick and Turang should not be hitting in the top 5 if they are starting. I would lead Chourio off following by Contreras and Vaughn.
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Counsell: “We’re going to L.A after Milwaukee. Murphy: “To be in the position we're in, there's no validation. I just want to do this very badly. I don't think it validates -- what does that mean? Are we not good because we didn't win a playoff series after we got a bye in the first round by having the best record in the league? That's got to count for something. But I'm not going to think about that. I'm just going to plan for [Saturday] and plan on winning.” I don’t know. Maybe I am reading too much into this. There’s nothing inherently wrong with what Murphy said, but I wish he had just said they are going to win and left it at that. It feels like one guy is very confident and the other is leaving himself an out if things go south tonight.
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I mean the obvious one prior to that … they lost 3 games in a row to the Cubs in August.
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If there’s one thing Murphy is not, it’s dishonest. I just don’t see him saying that if he doesn’t mean it. I just don’t know what Counsell could possibly gain from that small bit of information anyway. It’s not like whoever he starts won’t see Yelich in the 1st inning either way.
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Brewers-Cubs NLDS Game Four Thread - 10/9/2025 @ 8:08PM
adambr2 replied to CheezWizHed's topic in Archived Game Threads
Someone pointed this out earlier, but the franchise is not in the same place as it was in 2011. 2011 was kind of a reawakening for the franchise, it was their first division title in decades. They had the one lone playoff appearance in 2008 then kind of took a step back in 2009 and 2010 before making some big moves and getting back in 2011. There wasn’t this deep rooted recent history of expectations, pain and repeated choke jobs that they have now. So while I don’t remember and can’t be sure, I don’t think there was the same sense of impending doom after games 3 and 4 in 2011. Disappointment to be sure, but it wasn’t like this where you almost become conditioned to expect failure. -
Abner is as good of an idea as any to start the game to me, with the understanding that it’ll probably backfire and we’ll be down 3 with Uribe already burned. I’m just jaded enough right now where I expect whatever plan we lay out there to blow up in our faces. I'm in the camp that doesn’t really care who closes tomorrow, if we are even in that position I would be thrilled. If we are up by 1 or more 3 outs away from winning and Robert Gasser is all we have left in the pen than so be it, I will take it.
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Unfortunately, you do reach a point where logic and probability take a back seat to historical precedent. There was no rationally based reason on October 3rd, 2024, to think that the Brewers 2-0 lead in the 9th inning of an elimination game at home against the Mets was in any danger of slipping away. The most sensible, well-thought out explanations of why we should win an elimination game don’t really mean anything to me anymore until it actually happens.
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They’ve got a pretty rested pen from Boyd’s start. It is going to be all hands on deck for them just like it will be for us. I don’t know if Shota will start or not, but they’re not just going to hang him out to dry for 3-4 innings if things aren’t going well. It’ll be an extremely short hook.
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I don’t expect to get blown out tomorrow. No, the baseball Gods are not nearly that kind to us and would never put us out of our playoff misery against our archrivals in such a quick and humane way. No no, it’ll be far more torturous. Perhaps we will enter the 9th with a 3 run lead only for Uribe to walk 3 straight on 12 pitches and then give up a salami on the 13th pitch. Perhaps we will be down one in the bottom of the 9th with the bases loaded and nobody out only to pop out 3 times with the meat of the order. Perhaps the Cubs will have the tying and lead runners at 2nd and 3rd with 2 out in the 9th and Turang will let a routine grounder through his legs or Ortiz will airmail a throw into the seats. It is baseball, so there are an endless array of possibilities.
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Right, and honestly, it probably helped change the culture and set the table for bigger things, even if it wasn’t that season.
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I think they will be fine. Flacco might not be alive by Sunday night behind that offensive line. That’s the whole reason they don’t have Burrow. It will be a very small consolation, but a consolation.
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All true… but then I also guarantee that I don’t have to feel the way I’m 75% sure that I’m going to feel on Sunday morning.
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It’s bigger that that, though. It’s changing the reputation of this team of perennial choke artists who can’t win a playoff series. Win a series, and at least there is some belief, some internal faith that we are moving in the right direction. Something to build on for the future, something to make us believe we can eventually get there. Lose again? After being up 2-0 and blowing a big 9th inning lead last year? I can’t imagine anything more deflating for the franchise. You’ll honestly start losing fans, the “same old Brewers” sentiments will continue to prevail. If the Brewers lose tomorrow and win 110 games next season, would you have any reason to believe they’ll win a playoff series? Losing this series is demoralizing on an extreme level. Losing the next series is disappointing, but really not that big of a deal.
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Brewer fans better show up and be loud. It does matter.
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Would you take a guaranteed win tomorrow if you knew it meant we’d get swept in the NLCS? I honestly think I would.
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Honestly I just don’t really care, not that I’m apathetic to winning this game of course, but you could make a case that every starting pitching decision they made this series made some sense, and none of them worked out. So at this point, whatever, none or all of them make some sense. I guess if you had to pin me down for an answer I might go with Koenig to open, but more out of just random left handedness when nothing else worked, I don’t really care that much. You’d think we could get through one clean first inning in 5 games but here we are.
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Brewers-Cubs NLDS Game Four Thread - 10/9/2025 @ 8:08PM
adambr2 replied to CheezWizHed's topic in Archived Game Threads
It felt to me like Murphy felt like he could “afford” to drop Game 3. Lockridge starting, not going to Vaughn in the 8th with multiple runners on. There just didn’t feel like a lot of urgency to win that game. It seemed to be there for Game 4, but by then it’s too late — the momentum has shifted, and worse you’ve got a panicked clubhouse now, regardless of what they’ll say publicly.
