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I don't know how much Arenado has to do with it but Fowler is old and bad so it certainly doesn't hurt them to lose him anyway.
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You have literally one of the best if not the best defensive 2B in baseball and you're going to move him to a position he's never played in his career to keep an absolute defensive butcher at his position? I don't think so. And presumably Wong's plus defense would translate to 3B, a position we currently have a vacancy at. I'm not saying it's what I would do, but would you really be shocked if the organization who moved Moustakas to 2B would do this? For the record, moving Wong to 3B would not even affect his "value" given that, unless I'm mistaken, WAR uses the same positional adjustment for 2B and 3B. His defensive value likely could even increase at 3B. Yes. I'd be shocked. Part of the whole benefit of signing Wong was getting Keston off of a position that he simply can't play. 2B got a massive defensive upgrade and 1B got a big upgrade with this move. I don't think they're looking back. It's similar to when Braun was moved off of 3rd. He was a butcher at 3rd and he turned out to be okay in the OF. Hopefully this move will turn out similarly.
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Any real talk or Rumors for the Crew
adambr2 replied to brewmann04's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Sounds like 100% guaranteed confirmation to me! I don't believe anything until I hear it from Al's Cheesy Beef. -
You have literally one of the best if not the best defensive 2B in baseball and you're going to move him to a position he's never played in his career to keep an absolute defensive butcher at his position? I don't think so.
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I like Turner but Ramirez is just flat out better, and it doesn't hurt that he's a switch hitter. He'll cost a lot less money (don't see any way Turner is available for 3/35) and most importantly for a multi-year deal, Ramirez isn't 36 years old.
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If we are worried about trading Hiura because we're concerned about creating a hole at 1B by losing a very bad defensive 2B, then I think we are already acknowledging that 1B is the easiest plug and play position to replace in baseball.
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Yes, it's a very good pen with Hader. It's got a ton of question marks without him. Yardley, Suter, Rasmussen, etc...these guys are not "replacing" Josh Hader. Yardley is a journeyman with 35 career innings at the big league level. Rasmussen has 15 innings above AA and got shelled at the MLB level last year. Justin Topa? Really? All these guys have live arms, yes. Hoping you can get a breakout season from one of them is one thing. Counting on them to be a "replacement" for Josh Hader is entirely another. The list of live arms with great stuff who never amount to anything at this level is a long list. This reminds me of the Ray Black hype from last year.
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An area of strength? Devin Williams and who?? It is a weak pen without Hader. If Hader was able to be used to get solid prospects we probably would have already done that ourselves. And if Josh Hader is too expensive for us to keep, we had better forget about Ramirez because we're not affording much of anyone to put around him. If we can afford 18M over the next 2 years for Kolton Wong we can certainly afford 15M or so over the same period for Josh Hader.
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I don't understand why Hader is getting thrown into these trade scenarios for Ramirez. The Indians just turned down paying 9M to Brad Hand, so they're obviously looking to shed costs. They're looking at a younger package if they trade Ramirez. Hiura makes sense for them. Hader really doesn't. In addition Hader isn't really a valuable enough trade chip where you couldn't just use a decent farm piece instead of Josh. It's like he's just being thrown into these because we've listened to offers on him when really someone like Mitchell or Turang makes a lot more sense for both sides and probably has similar surplus value. Plus if you acquire Ramirez you're trying to win these next few years...you don't really start that by selling off your best reliever when you don't need to.
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I'm ok with whatever plan they have for Hiura. If that means trade, or 1B, so be it. Wong is as good as it gets defensively at 2nd, so he's not moving off there. It would be nice if Hiura's defense could stick at 2B, but it doesn't look like it'll happen. Too often though we get a little too hung up on not wanting to move a guy off a position because his bat doesn't play as well somewhere else. I understand that bats are a little more of a premium at certain positions, but they still have to offer enough defense to be an overall asset and not a net negative. We can move Yelich to catcher if we want to but if he can't play the position it doesn't matter how well his bat plays there.
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I don't think it's fair to say we overpaid, as it really doesn't appear so. And Wong is the starter at 2B. There's no way he's sitting in 2021. Hiura is either the 1B, the DH if they get that sorted out, or traded. I would also like to point out that the Brewers seem to very much like to try to negotiate an extra club option year into most of their contracts when possible and there is obviously a bit of an expected extra cost to us associated with getting that extra year of control without guaranteeing it. Usually, those costs are figured into the announcement of these deals but not always. It could very well be a 2/16 contract with a 2M buyout on a 10M team option for 2023.
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I would have no problem giving up a package centered around Hiura and including several prospects. My only untouchables would be Woodruff and Burnes. Urias is also fair game. I would probably include Hader but would prefer not to as this type of deal means you're going for it the next couple years and Hader is going to be a big part of that. Hader's trade value isn't high enough to be a necessary part of the deal anyway.
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It really didn't. But I hope it made you feel better.
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I like Turner a lot but committing 3-4 years to a 36 year old could end very badly. Heck it could start very badly.
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Wong is not that bad of a hitter. He's been slightly below league average and slightly above league average in OPS+ the last 4 seasons. He's basically average. Not a liability. He's very consistent, not consistently great but you know what you'll get and he seldom strikes out. He's also arguably the best defensive 2B in baseball. I don't know what people expected him to cost. He's not the caliber of player that was going to be available on a 1 year/3M prove it deal. He's a very good acquisition in a tight division.
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The Rockies had better be eating $100M of his contract instead of $50M to give up Hiura.
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Wong has averaged 3-4 WAR per season the last 3 seasons, depending on whether you go by bWAR or fWAR (prorating for 2020). Not sure why he would be assumed to be cheap. I like the 3rd option year as well. I think the contract is in an expected range.
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We did something!
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Wong isn't versatile at all, he's definitely a true 2B only, so it would be interesting to see what they have in mind with Hiura if they signed Wong. If the DH is here to stay, you'd think Hiura becomes your fulltime DH. Otherwise, a trade could be possible although the return would need to be significant and basically ignore the struggles of Hiura in 2020.
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Wong seems to wreck the pitching at Miller Park every time he visits so hopefully he could do that in our uniform as well.
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He has also on multiple occasions actually acquired non-controllable talent, including Moose, Pomeranz, Schoop, Grandal, etc. Every GM in baseball wants "young, controllable talent." Why wouldn't you? They're the most valuable commodity in the game. That certainly doesn't mean he isn't open to other team-building avenues, and his past actions certainly reflect that. Story is actually a really good trade target if you're looking to go big on 2021. The lack of control is a bummer but it also makes his cost reasonable. Somebody like Burnes is way too much but something like Turang+Arcia probably makes sense.
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I can't wait for the annual "we're all out of touch" pissing match between the owners and players. Seems like they're ready to kick it into full gear again after an entire spring and partial summer of eye-rolling negotiations last year.
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I mean I would trade Woodruff for 8 Josh Hader’s. Bullpen the entire game Good luck against that bullpen! Get on it Stearns!! Me too but it's not my money. We also would have to find a way to pay 8 Josh Hader's. Better have a Dodgers size budget for that in a year or two.
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I mean, I think 15.5 is too low but Hader is not worth as much in trade as we emotionally feel he is worth. You basically have to take his expected value, which is already limited as a reliever, and deduct the expected cost of his remaining years which are not that cheap. Then you have an already depressed reliever market, it is not that surprising to see him valued under 20M. They also have Burnes at over 70M and Woodruff at almost 120M and no one is complaining about that.
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What is your 2020-2021 offseason plan for the Brewers?
adambr2 replied to Vollbc74's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
Sign Daniel Robertson and call it good, apparently.