We also need to draw a line in the sand on how much we're going to continue to raid our farm. I understand the moves we've made but acquiring a talent the level that people want, IF it can even be done which is a big if, will put our farm right at the bottom of the league. Not a good place to be as we started finding out 3 or 4 years ago. At some point we've got to give some of these guys shots to be here for 6-7 years. If Jimmy is good to go we've got him with Chacin, Burnes, Anderson, and Davies next year, with Peralta and Woodruff in reserve, and that's only if guys like Miley and Gonzalez aren't back. This year was kind of a transitional year in the rotation with the Nelson injury. Next year we should be in better shape.