Once again, I see the Brewers winning only 10 more games this year to finish at 75-87 in 5th place behind Cincy and Pittsburgh. Actually, you said, "at most" in your original statement. If you want to claim making the prediction, "once again", your prediction should be lower, by definition. And to insinuate that a prediction better than a 10-22 is "rosy" is pretty silly, IMO. Where are the realists? Bravo for having so much optimism in your heart. However, given the weary state of our pitching I can't see the Brewers winning more than 13 out of the last 32. I appreciate that the above comment was made innocently enough (the following comments aren't really directed at you) but I'm sick of people labeling anyone not willing to simply base their predictions on the terrible play of the last month as being optimistic. It seems that whenever the Brewers go on a losing streak, we are told that to project future performance, it's as simple as assuming the unexpectadly terrible play tocontinue. Does that really make sense? I was called a fool for not realizing that the Brewers were done after they were no hit in Detroit. "Look at the facts!, I was told. Then the Brewers won 9 of 10 and everyone went back to being optimistic. As for the state of our pitching, I see our worst starting pitcher hopefully being replaced by our best in a couple days. That should be a huge boost. especially after just reading his article, I'll be interested to hear Rluz's opinion here. It's hard to be objective right now, given that the team can turn this skid around and get hot at any time... Even if you look at the season as a whole, the picture isn't too bright. The Brewers have been outscorted on the season and their raw stats suggest that they are the definition of mediocre. Most preseason projections put them at around .500 as well. A very safe prediction would be 81 wins and second place, so I'll make it here. Of course, they could be a perfectly mediocre team, talentwise, and still win 84 games and make the playoffs, so there's always hope. BP puts the odds of winning the Central at 56/25/18 for the Cubs, Brewers and Cardinals, respectively. I don't think people fully appreciate how much luck will play a role in who wins the NL Central. Three close games decided by three balls bouncing a particular way, could be the difference between another losing season or the playoffs for the Brewers. As cliche as it is, it really is better to be lucky than good. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif