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The Phillies would probably be better off calling up Carlos Carrasco and see where that takes them. Hamels/Blanton/Moyer/Happ/Carrasco

I wouldn't trade any prospect in the top 15 for Penny. He's just not durable and he's a free agent who might not bring any draft compensation. If we're making a trade, I want a difference maker. I don't see Penny being that big of a difference maker.

Link That's a pretty unimpressive package. We heard there were four pitchers, so Poreda, Richard, Broadway (if the NL official is right) and the only other pitcher in their top 10 prospects is John Ely. So Poreda, who some project as a reliever, Richard, who's probably a #5 starter, Broadway is more of a middle reliever and Ely a back of the rotation starter as well. That's not really that impressive of a package. One top prospect and three middling prospects who are back of the rotation starters at best it seems.

So would you rather have three role players at $14 million or one at $14 million? I'd rather have three personally, especially when Sessions can become much more than a role player.

While Paul and Williams might be better players than Bogut, drafting a guy who has averaged a double-double or darned near it every year is not a bust. He's averaged 11.9/8.7 in his career. Not really close to a double-double and not the kind of production you want from a #1 pick. You'd rather have Brandan Wright, who has played a total of 77 games in two years and has averaged fewer points and rebounds per game than Yi? Wright is much more efficient than Yi, played much less minutes (hence less points and rebounds per game) and is playing with Don Nelson. Who never plays young players. Especially in that system. Stephen Jackson, a SG/SF played 15% of his minutes at PF this year. Oklahoma City was 23-59 this year, and they lucked out in the lottery. Even if the did "luck out", I would still much rather have their team. Tons of cap space and they would still have Westbrook and Green to go along with their #3 pick this year and they'll have another top pick next year and could have two lottery picks if Phoenix doesn't make the playoffs. When's the last time the Bucks picked twice in the 1st round? That would be a refreshing change from not picking in the 1st round at all in 4 of the last 10 years. Other than Blake Griffin, who I'd say isn't as good as Durant much less any of the guys you mention, there isn't anyone in this draft that would qualify as a stud player. I would take Griffin over Durant and Rubio has a chance to be a stud player, as do DeRozan and Holiday. That's my point!! It's not Redd or even Jefferson that's killing them Elson and Allen make a combined $3 million. That $3 million is killing us because Redd and Jefferson make $31 million. Why on earth would you pay two non-special wing players a combined $31 million and name another circumstance in which that has ever worked. If they were making a combined $20 million like they should be, then it wouldn't be a problem. But CV for one year at $4.6M? No way even in this economy does that happen. That's what his qualifying offer is. If he's tendered that offer and doesn't think he can get anything better, he would take that and then hold more power next year as an unrestricted free agent. You can get two of those three for $14M, but not all three. Sessions - $5.8 million Villanueva - $5 million Ilyasova - $3.5 million That's $14.3 million, Jefferson makes $14.2 million next year. That's the maximum Sessions can make next year, Villanueva would probably accept the qualifying offer and Ilyasova probably wouldn't get $3.5 million either. So, you could likely get those three for less than what Jefferson makes next year. So you're saying that 34-year-old Marcus Camby at $12M per year is the key to the playoffs or rebuilding (can't tell which you're advocating) and a much better bargain than a 28-year-old Jefferson at $14M? It's pretty clear that I want to rebuild, but Hammond wants to reach for the stars to get that glorious 8th seed in the playoffs. Camby would've helped more than Jefferson and Camby makes $4 million less.

Yeah, I don't care if a player is cocky either. If a pitcher gets out of a bases loaded, no out jam in a close game should he just walk back to the dugout and show no emotion? Sorry, it doesn't work like that. If you get out of that jam with 40,000 fans screaming after you do, of course you're going to be excited and show some emotion.

I'd rather have Joakim Noah, Brandan Wright or Rodney Stuckey over Yi (fully aware he's not with the Bucks anymore.) I'd rather have Chris Paul or Deron Williams over Andrew Bogut. I would've rather had David West or Josh Howard over T.J. Ford. I would rather have Tayshaun Prince or Carlos Boozer over Marcus Haislip. But drafting busts isn't even the biggest problem for the Bucks. It's not having many 1st round picks. In the last 10 drafts, the Bucks have only had six 1st round picks. For a team that doesn't have free agency as an option you absolutely need to keep draft picks and then draft well with them. Not only do we not draft well when we have them, we also don't have very many of them.

It was either Can Bill Hall pitch or Catching WOAH SOLVDD.

Yeah he is. Have you ever heard that guy when he fills in on ESPN? Brutal. Again, the point of getting Penny (or any pitcher, whether it be Bedard, Lee or Peavy) would be to strengthen the major league club. Trading our starting SS for a struggling starting pitcher and a middle reliever doesn't strengthen the major league club.

Kinda wish we had a noon game, followed by a 3 game followed by two night games. We'd have baseball all day!

Also, I think people are making a little too much about Peavy's road splits. Lots of that is from his first two years in the league and as we're finding out with our own pitcher in his first couple years, it's an issue for a lot of young pitchers. First 2 years on the road for Peavy: 156 IP, 5.13 ERA, 1.52 WHIP, 3.98 BB/9, 7.44 K/9, 1.96 HR/9 Peavy's last 5+ years on the road: 458.1 IP, 3.40 ERA, 1.22 WHIP, 3.02 BB/9, 8.64 K/9, .98 HR/9 I know you can't just get rid of those stats from his first two years, but when you look at his past five years, it really could just be that he was struggling on the road like a lot of young pitchers do. Add that to the fact that lots of pitchers have better home splits than road splits as well. But in the past five years he's lowered his walk rate, raised his strikeout rate and drastically lowered his HR rate.

Umm, easily re-sign Sessions, Villanueva and Ilyasova with Jefferson's $14 million salary gone? And I'd much rather have Sessions signed to around a 3-4 year, $17-24 million deal, Villanueva who could probably be had for his qualifying offer of 1 year $4.6 million and Ilyasova who could be had for 2-3 years $6-8 million. Also, if the Bucks had cap space last summer, they would've had Marcus Camby for a right to flip 2nd round picks with the Nuggets. Cap space is always valuable. Not only can you sign other teams' players and your own players, but you can also take good players off the hands of teams looking to shed salary by not having to match salary. Paying $14 million combined next year to Sessions, Villanueva and Ilyasova is better than paying that to Jefferson.

I was wondering the same thing, although I don't remember him scooping the site before. That's not a knock on him, I just don't normally remember that type of stuff no matter who it is. Although, if some say he has scooped the site before, I have no reason to doubt him.

He's not going to be helping the Brewers at all if he's getting one at bat per game at most and some games not getting any. You don't waste your top prospect or his service time by putting him on the bench.

Not sure how you can say that when he moved Braun from 3rd to left, moved Hall from center to 3rd and signed Cameron to specifically improve the defense.

I saw it. He looked like he was going to slam the ball on the ground right in front of the umpire, but he held on to it. Then as he was screaming he bumped the umpire in the shoulder, that's when the umpire tossed him and after he tossed him Zambrano mimicked him by trying to toss the umpire out ( http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif ) then he went into the dugout and smashed the gatorade machine with a bat. It was pretty funny.

Have you heard from someone that the Brewers have talked to Axelrod? I don't know if Giles would waive his no trade clause to come here either.

Adam Heether just hit his second homer in as many innings to give Nashville an 8-6 lead in the 9th.

I have to give the edge to South Florida.

Our offense has gone into hibernation.

Pretty good outing for Parra. 6.2 innings, 7 hits, 3 ER's, 5 BB's (2 intentional) and 6 K's.

Wait, now Macha decides to take Kendall out of the game? He's friggin' nuts.

I'll just never understand not pinch hitting for Kendall in a spot like that. We have Rivera to come in and catch and if he gets hurt we have McGehee who has caught 93 games in the minors, which was his second most played position besides third base, yet they have no problem playing McGehee at 2nd base.

Yeah, I have to think something is up with Peavy. Although in the article he wrote for the Sunday paper he said that the Brewers want to wait and see if this team can actually compete for a playoff spot before they make a move for Peavy. I couldn't disagree with that more. We know this team is good, Melvin and company should know this team is good, so if you want him, start making offers and exchanging names now.

Top teams: Cleveland - Lottery Orlando - Lottery Boston - Lottery (Pierce), traded lottery pick for Allen, developed a young big and other players so they could trade for Garnett. Lakers - Lottery (Bryant) who was acquired using Divac. Gasol for cap room and picks as well as Marc Gasol who is a decent center. Denver - Lottery (Carmelo) and trading Iverson's big expiring for Billups and traded Antonio McDyess, draft rights to Frank Williams and a 2003 2nd round pick to New York for Marcus Camby, Mark Jackson and the draft right to Nene Hilario. Dallas - Lottery (Nowitzki), Antawn Jamison traded for the 5th pick Devin Harris. Harris traded for Jason Kidd. San Antonio - Lottery (Duncan) Portland - Lottery (Oden, Aldridge, Roy) Houston - Lottery (Yao) New Orleans - Lottery (Paul) Utah - Lottery (Williams) Also, who cares who we have to score? You can replace scoring and winning wouldn't be the main priority right now. It would be about remaining cap flexible, getting high draft picks and putting those picks to good use so you can build up a core of talented young players. Again, trying to win now while rebuilding at the same time never works and it never will.