2023 Packers draft discussion

[patrickgpe]

11 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

I think best case scenario is ol' QB Matt Flynn. If they get that type of production and performance there, I'm won over. As you've seen, however, I have sincere doubts.

thats a good comp, but those are 7th round picks, not 5th. I personally wanted Bennett in the 6th / 7th, but Rams took in 4th. 

 

[MVP2110]

 

 

[Joseph Zarr]

I couldn't resist:

 

[Joseph Zarr]

 

[Joseph Zarr]

 

[Joseph Zarr]

Coming from Fennell, this means quite a bit. He's been critical of Gutey picks in the past - last year he was critical of the overall talent on the roster. He does not mince words. He really likes the Packers draft to date.

[MVP2110]

 

 

[PeaveyFury]

Wish the accuracy numbers were higher, but I also won't pretend to recall Crosby's coming out of college 16 years ago. Accuracy can be coached with mechanical consistency, so I trust our very good ST staff's projections on him if they like him.

EDIT: Answering my own statistical question, Crosby made 75% in college.

[CheezWizHed]

2 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

So will the first pick in the 7th be a Kicker? 

 

[Joseph Zarr]

 

[PeaveyFury]

It’s fairly surprising they made all 9 picks today.

[Joseph Zarr]

On 4/28/2023 at 3:54 PM, Joseph Zarr said:

Of the remaining wideouts, I would expect a name from this list:

A.T. Perry
Rashee Rice
Dontayvion Wicks
Grant Dubose

^^BUMP. 

[Joseph Zarr]

 

[Joseph Zarr]

Acme Packing Link w Clips and Write-ups

UDFA Signings:

WR Malik Heath (Priority UDFA - $9K signing bonus)

WR Deuce Watts

DL Jason Lewan

S Christian Morgn

S Benny Sapp III

OT Kadeem Telfort

OL Chuck Filiaga

TE Camren McDonald

TE Henry Pearson

LB Brenton Cox Jr.

LB Jimmy Phillips Jr.

Edge Keshawn Banks

 

Confirmed Rookie Minicamp Try Out/Attendee:

P Shane McDonough

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[MVP2110]

This is the 2nd year in a row where I think Gute absolutely killed it on day 3(outside of the Clifford pick). But Wooden, Wicks, Brooks, Valentine, Nichols III, Johnson Jr., & Dubose I think all have a chance to make an impact on this team. Today was a ton of fun

[LouisEly]

If he’s still available – Luke Musgrave, TE, Oregon State

Don’t be surprised if it’s: Dontavyon Wicks, WR, Virginia

If the Aaron Rodgers trade is completed before the draft: Sean Clifford, QB, Penn State

UDFAs:
Lew Nichols, RB, Central Michigan

Not a bad year.  More picks so more bites at the apple.  I had Karl Brooks in my first couple of drafts but after his pro day performance I took him out; almost added him back in after he had a top-30 visit with the Packers.

The one WR I overlook - Jayden Reed - is the one who comes back to bite me.  (Probably overlooked him because of an irrational hatred of his first name.)  Looking at him more, I wish I would have seen that he has a career punt return average of 15.3 with three taken to the house.  I don't mind that pick at all even if I would have preferred others (both at that position and at #45). 

Regarding Clifford, people have been wrong about QBs before (Brady, Romo, etc.).  He was a 4-year starter for an upper-eschelon team in the Big Ten with over 10,000 career passing yards.  Over the years he was there he beat out two four-star QB recruits plus a third by the name of Will Levis.  Backup QB is a need. 

One thing I think this clearly signals is an intent to shift to four DL using traditional DEs with the drafting of Van Ness, Wooden, and Brooks (who played as much standing up on the edge as with a hand in the dirt in the game that I watched).  Hopefully that's more in Barry's wheelhouse instead of a 2-4-5. 

[LouisEly]

One thing I like about Malik Heath already - he had the stones to transfer from Mississippi State to Ole Miss.  Yeah, leave your school for your in-state rival.

[Joseph Zarr]

4 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

One thing I like about Malik Heath already - he had the stones to transfer from Mississippi State to Ole Miss.  Yeah, leave your school for your in-state rival.

Yeah he's talked about that in interviews. Paraphrasing: "Yeah, I was all about that Kiffin offense." Should he stick, he seems a logical candidate to leave in FA and head to an NFC North rival.

[MVP2110]

 

 

[nate82]

I think I had Brooks a few time in my mocks for the Packers though in an earlier round round.  Not bad for a Bears fan huh?

[LouisEly]

A couple more notes on Clifford.  Gutey said that they weren't sure that Clifford was going to be available when they picked.  He said there was a run on QBs they liked less than Clifford before they picked him (assuming he's referring to Jake Haener, Stetson Bennett, Aidan O’Connell, Clayton Tune, and Dorian Thompson-Robinson who were all drafted in a 14-pick run late in the 4th and early 5th).  Based on that list, I'd prefer Clifford to Bennett and O'Connell, maybe DT-R, so it's reasonable to think that Clifford might not have been around much longer.  (Fun fact - Bennett will turn 26 his rookie season.)

Generally speaking, any player who is still on the board in the middle of the 5th round is not thought of very highly by any team so it doesn't really make a lot of difference who is picked at that point.

[brewcrewdue80]

23 hours ago, Joseph Zarr said:

 

I'm not too high on Brooks. He's clearly slow and non agile. Bowling Green's conference is basically filled with 1 good team and the rest fighting for 4-6wins on the season.  I went back through last 2 seasons of box scores and vs the 4 teams with significance outside the conference faced. UCLA had 0 tackles, 1 PD. Mississippi St.  1 solo tackle 1 PD.  And the bowl game vs New Mexico St. 0 Tackles. 1 PD. In 2022.

Against the 7-6 2021 Tennessee Vols he did have 5 total tackles with 1 for loss.

Minnesota 1 tackle a sack.

So against 5 teams outside his conference 5G 7 Tackles 2TFL. 1 sack.

Highest rank teams were MS St at 20 and UCLA at 21.  I'd be very surprised if the NFL talent facing doesn't keep him from having any impact.

 

[Joseph Zarr]

1 minute ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

I'm not too high on Brooks. He's clearly slow and non agile. Bowling Green's conference is basically filled with 1 good team and the rest fighting for 4-6wins on the season.  I went back through last 2 seasons of box scores and vs the 4 teams with significance outside the conference faced. UCLA had 0 tackles, 1 PD. Mississippi St.  1 solo tackle 1 PD.  And the bowl game vs New Mexico St. 0 Tackles. 1 PD. In 2022.

Against the 7-6 2021 Tennessee Vols he did have 5 total tackles with 1 for loss.

Minnesota 1 tackle a sack.

So against 5 teams outside his conference 5G 7 Tackles 2TFL. 1 sack.

Highest rank teams were MS St at 20 and UCLA at 21.  I'd be very surprised if the NFL talent facing doesn't keep him from having any impact.

 

We shall see. He is certainly going to have ample opportunity.

[LouisEly]

45 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

I'm not too high on Brooks. He's clearly slow and non agile.

I watched one of their games, I think the bowl game, and he is very agile for a player his size.  Looked very natural standing up on the edge and moved around very well.  He's not explosive or strong, doesn't have a great body type, and needs to spend some time with the strength & conditioning team.

[LouisEly]

I think I see why the Packers aren't getting any exciting UDFAs - last year 27 players got over $100k in guaranteed bonus/salary.  Being up against the cap restricts how much if any part of a UDFAs salary they can guarantee.

And of the ~$7M in net cap available (factoring in rookie draft pick bonuses/salary), I'd rather allocate that to enticing Amos to come back than guaranteeing $100k in salary to a couple of UDFA.