2023 NFL Discussion Thread

[yourout]

A vikes loss tonight combined with the inevitable Thanksgiving lions beatdown of the Packers will all but lock up the division for the kitty's.

[yourout]

If Kareem Jackson keeps leading with the top of his helmet eventually he's going to leave a game on a stretcher.

You would think after having a two-game suspension for it he would be a bit more cautious but really caught a break on that first fumble where he should have been tagged for it.

[HarryDoyle]

So the Broncos went from can't stop the opposition from scoring to can't score.

[yourout]

8 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

So the Broncos went from can't stop the opposition from scoring to can't score.

I'm going to give the Vikings some credit on that point.

I don't like them but I have to admit their GM is pretty decent at identifying talent and their defensive coordinator would be a massive upgrade over Joe Berry.

They're actually pretty well coached... Period

[yourout]

What a terrible play call for a two-point conversion by the broncos.

[Fear The Chorizo]

It's insane, but the Packers are 1 game in the loss column out of the playoffs chasing a team that still has to play Detroit twice and doesn't have an NFL starting-caliber QB on their roster.

It really feels like the NFL blob takes up like 25 of the 32 teams, with 2-3 awful teams and 3-4 really good ones at either end of the spectrum.

[yourout]

5 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

It's insane, but the Packers are 1 game in the loss column out of the playoffs chasing a team that still has to play Detroit twice and doesn't have an NFL starting-caliber QB on their roster.

It really feels like the NFL blob takes up like 25 of the 32 teams, with 2-3 awful teams and 3-4 really good ones at either end of the spectrum.

It would likely take at least a 5 and 2 finish and that's highly unlikely with the remaining schedule.

[Fear The Chorizo]

5 minutes ago, yourout said:

It would likely take at least a 5 and 2 finish and that's highly unlikely with the remaining schedule.

oh I agree and don't expect it....just knowing the Vikings still appear to have a driver's seat for the 7th wildcard spot without Cousins and Jefferson and assuming the best they're going to finish is likely 9-8 just tells you how 'meh' the whole league is besides a handful of teams.  My larger point is while many of us are almost quasi rooting for the Packers to lose games to improve their draft position for next season, they're just as close to playing on wildcard weekend as they are to a top 5 draft pick in late November.

Had GB won two of those close games they couldn't make play on their last drives, they'dh have made the playoffs this season.

[HarryDoyle]

So MVS drops a sure touchdown pass that probably wins the game. Where have I seen this before?

[CheezWizHed]

Rasual Douglas has a 2 INTs and a fumble recovery vs the Jets... thus decreasing the 3rd round pick we get from the Bills, but improving the 2nd round pick we get from the Jets. 

[HarryDoyle]

Jack Del Rio becomes the second coordinator to be fired this week and third overall this year, yet Joe Barry works on. 

[nate82]

3 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Jack Del Rio becomes the second coordinator to be fired this week and third overall this year, yet Joe Barry works on. 

He is not going to be fired.  Not sure why anyone thinks he will be.  Unless LaFleur is fired which is also not going to happen unless the Packers are blown out in all of their remaining games.

[HarryDoyle]

1 minute ago, nate82 said:

He is not going to be fired.  Not sure why anyone thinks he will be.  Unless LaFleur is fired which is also not going to happen unless the Packers are blown out in all of their remaining games.

I never said Barry would be fired. 

[HarryDoyle]

Watching my first game on Amazon Prime. Looks like Lazard is going to be sitting next to Wilson on the bench today.

[BrewerFan]

17 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

I never said Barry would be fired. 

Yeah...because it's really stupid to make these absolute statements. 

 

I think he's going to get fired. I think there's enough talent for this defense to be elite. I think two games where he's completely changed his entire scheme doesn't change his overall body of work and I don't see how MLF and Barry's fates are tied together. That seems silly to me. 

But there are 6 games left. If he keeps coming with these different looks...I guess he might stick around. It'd be a WHOLE lot better if he was also disguising coverages a little bit. Show man with the 6 man fronts and then drop into zone, otherwise teams are going to just run those little crossing routes and digs and again nickel and dime us to death, but as of right now, we've seen Barry's defense(which we've invested 8 first-round, picks and significant money in) have a couple of good games after a season of mediocrity and him hang on only to see the same flaws bubble back up. 

 

Lets keep in mind Murphy and his influence is leaving. That's impacted the Rizzi non-hire, keeping Pettine, giving Drayton the job...football decisions that are supposed to(or at least HAVE always been strictly under Gutey's purview with the Football and Business side separated). 

That, the fact that Barry wasn't his first coach. That MLF has earned a helluva lot more credibility than Barry. To categorically state he is NOT getting fired unless MLF is? I don't know how you possibly come to that conclusion. 

[HarryDoyle]

That's the kind of thing that can only happens to the Jets. Wow!

 

[HarryDoyle]

That switch at quarterback really paid dividends for the Jets, huh?

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, HarryDoyle said:

That switch at quarterback really paid dividends for the Jets, huh?

Yup, that was just an issue of scapegoating a guy. I think it was probably worth a try as sometimes a QB can bring new energy, but the problem is I would guess generally, those QBs would be mobile QBs who can keep drives going with their feet. Especially behind an OL like the Jets who are without Becton and AGAIN Vera Tucker and I don't know if Brown even played today. McGovern was also a starter I believe, he's now out. 

Good luck to Rodgers if he does try coming back...I'd guess they're out of it by the time that's realistic, or at best it's like the year he came back for the Panthers game, but...it ain't gonna matter.

[homer]

4 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

That switch at quarterback really paid dividends for the Jets, huh?

front office is so dumb. they could have made a trade the day after Rodgers got hurt but decided to go with Opie and Boil. 

[HarryDoyle]

52 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Yup, that was just an issue of scapegoating a guy. I think it was probably worth a try as sometimes a QB can bring new energy, but the problem is I would guess generally, those QBs would be mobile QBs who can keep drives going with their feet. Especially behind an OL like the Jets who are without Becton and AGAIN Vera Tucker and I don't know if Brown even played today. McGovern was also a starter I believe, he's now out. 

Good luck to Rodgers if he does try coming back...I'd guess they're out of it by the time that's realistic, or at best it's like the year he came back for the Panthers game, but...it ain't gonna matter.

Yeah, I tend to agree. Yes, Wilson is a bust and we all know what Boyle is, but the biggest problem with that team is the offensive line. Wouldn't it be something if they're the team that winds up drafting Alt?

And the Jets benching Lazard today pretty much cements the fact that he's just a guy without a Hall of Fame quarterback.

[Fear The Chorizo]

1 hour ago, HarryDoyle said:

Yeah, I tend to agree. Yes, Wilson is a bust and we all know what Boyle is, but the biggest problem with that team is the offensive line. Wouldn't it be something if they're the team that winds up drafting Alt?

And the Jets benching Lazard today pretty much cements the fact that he's just a guy without a Hall of Fame quarterback.

They're going to go from an exciting young team with alot of draft capital that a great veteran quarterback could lead on a run to a team in search of a new front office in less than a season because they listened too much to the qb they traded for and added guys he wanted to come with him and he instantly got injured.

Checked Cobb's statline for the year...3 catches for about 20 yards...

[OldHeidelberg]

Not much of a surprise to most of us Packer fans that Lazard isn’t a starter quality receiver but I will be happy with the comp pick we will get for him.

[homer]

11 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

They're going to go from an exciting young team with alot of draft capital that a great veteran quarterback could lead on a run to a team in search of a new front office in less than a season because they listened too much to the qb they traded for and added guys he wanted to come with him and he instantly got injured.

Checked Cobb's statline for the year...3 catches for about 20 yards...

Cobb, Lazard, Boyle, Turner, (Amos as well but I don't think that was necessarily a Rodgers request), Hackett.

Maybe Rodgers was trying to help the Packers draft position?

[BrewerFan]

15 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Yeah, I tend to agree. Yes, Wilson is a bust and we all know what Boyle is, but the biggest problem with that team is the offensive line. Wouldn't it be something if they're the team that winds up drafting Alt?

And the Jets benching Lazard today pretty much cements the fact that he's just a guy without a Hall of Fame quarterback.

Watch your mouth...

Seriously though, there are a bunch of really good OTs. I just got fixated on Alt because he just seems like a robot out there. But that Fashanu is still the higher rated OT by most. There are 10 OTs(I'd guess) who'll start next year and maybe more. The Jets certainly seem like the team that's more likely. Really wish we'd have held out for that 1st, but hindsight is easy that way and the deal we got was good for a 40 yr old QB we had to trade.

 

I'm kinda torn about rooting for Rodgers at this point. All of his hemming and hawing, "I was 90% retired," and then the claims that HE chose the Jets when it was obvious we started talking to the Jets and then he just signed on, now he loves them, and wants to play several years there. I'll love him again like I did with Favre(and then possibly dislike him again if he defrauds the poorest state's safety net for its poorest citizens) but I might be rooting for Brock Bowers to fall to the Jets. Just an incredible talent they can't pass up!

 

[HarryDoyle]

So the Steelers gain 400+ yards of offense for the first time in 59 games. Yes, firing your coordinator midseason can make a difference.