Article: It's Time to Consider Sending Brice Turang Back to Nashville

[Playing Catch]

1 hour ago, shanedog19 said:

I would hate this. It was really uninspiring watching Brewer baseball last season, especially after the trade deadline. The "freshmen" have given the big league club a shot in the arm that it sorely needed IMO.  These young players are the future of our franchise, and they have absolutely nothing left to prove in the minor leagues. The only way they are going to get better is to play consistently at the big league level. I also don't believe the team is squandering an opportunity to win a world championship by playing Turang and not Owen Miller or Luis Urias when he returns. As a fan, I am more than willing to deal with the growing pains, and I hope Counsell and Arnold are too. The same concept would apply to Weimer and Frelick when he gets healthy.

Thank you for providing some pathos to the board! Torts would be proud!

[MrTPlush]

15 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

As the mod said, this comment is totally unnecessary....

I'll just spell it out then. Why are we 18-11 despite a middling offense at this point? Run prevention, in particular, the #1 defense in baseball by DRS. Who are #2 and #3 in DRS on the team after Contreras? Joey Wiemer and Brice Turang with 4 DRS each...

So, by solely focusing on what they're doing at the plate, you're completely ignoring their  contributions when it comes to preventing runs, which have been a huge part of our winning ballgames. Take that away and we'd be worse off, despite their offensive struggles. 

So was you taking three posts to actually try and have a conversation. You could have just led off with this post versus whatever you were trying to accomplish before. 

They have jumped out to a 18-12 start largely because of the crazy offense we were getting the first couple weeks. Now we are back to looking like a .500 at best team. The only reason we have not cratered into the abyss is because pitching/defense. Turang by himself isn't a problem and Wiemer isn't a problem by himself. However, them both in the line-up is a huge issue. We are trotting out like five guys on a nightly basis that are #9 hole hitters. 

We probably are just hosed at this point and have to ride it out. I am not one to start clamoring for the fodder in AAA. This was always going to be an issue with depending on a bunch of rookies. Add in praying on Winker/Anderson to resurrect their careers...yah, the offense is looking pretty brutal. Hopefully at least one of Wiemer/Turang starts being a decent bat consistently. We can't win with a flurry of guys OPSing in the .600s. No amount of defense/pitching is going to carry that over 162 games. 

[jerichoholicninja]

48 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

We can't win with a flurry of guys OPSing in the .600s. No amount of defense/pitching is going to carry that over 162 games. 

If the front office hasn't figured this out over the last almost decade, I don't think they will anytime soon. I'll give Arnold some credit for going and getting Winker and Anderson and actually making somewhat of an effort to improve the offense but the results are just more of the same.

[Thurston Fluff]

2 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

So was you taking three posts to actually try and have a conversation. You could have just led off with this post versus whatever you were trying to accomplish before. 

They have jumped out to a 18-12 start largely because of the crazy offense we were getting the first couple weeks. Now we are back to looking like a .500 at best team. The only reason we have not cratered into the abyss is because pitching/defense. Turang by himself isn't a problem and Wiemer isn't a problem by himself. However, them both in the line-up is a huge issue. We are trotting out like five guys on a nightly basis that are #9 hole hitters. 

We probably are just hosed at this point and have to ride it out. I am not one to start clamoring for the fodder in AAA. This was always going to be an issue with depending on a bunch of rookies. Add in praying on Winker/Anderson to resurrect their careers...yah, the offense is looking pretty brutal. Hopefully at least one of Wiemer/Turang starts being a decent bat consistently. We can't win with a flurry of guys OPSing in the .600s. No amount of defense/pitching is going to carry that over 162 games. 

You can't win with veterans OPSing in the 600's. If Yelich and Winker would be OPSing in even the low 700's two rookies struggling in their first month in the majors wouldn't be a problem given their defense.

[MrTPlush]

1 hour ago, jerichoholicninja said:

If the front office hasn't figured this out over the last almost decade, I don't think they will anytime soon. I'll give Arnold some credit for going and getting Winker and Anderson and actually making somewhat of an effort to improve the offense but the results are just more of the same.

Agreed....and before I get jumped on, no, I don't think there was much of a better avenue last offseason to go. At least from the standpoint of trying to compete this year. This is probably the best way we could have attempted to compete, I guess we shall see if the rookies can right the ship in the coming months. 

The most obvious thing we could have done differently is kept Wong and not had Winker (thus no Turang on the roster). However, anyone checking stats knows Wong has been absolute trash this year. We could have kept Renfroe, who is hitting well again this year. Renfroe/Taylor is probably more pleasant than Taylor/Wiemer at face value on 5/4. Offense is just a big ole disaster.

[MrTPlush]

4 minutes ago, Thurston Fluff said:

You can't win with veterans OPSing in the 600's. If Yelich and Winker would be OPSing in even the low 700's two rookies struggling in their first month in the majors wouldn't be a problem given their defense.

Well, Winker did OPS south of .700 last year...so I am not how much of a shocker his production has been so far. 

[Thurston Fluff]

27 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Well, Winker did OPS south of .700 last year...so I am not how much of a shocker his production has been so far. 

Is two rookies struggling in their first month in the majors more shocking? I'd say a DH OPSing only about ten point highers than two elite defenders is a bigger concern now. I also think there's a replacement that is more likely to do better than Winker's overall production than Turang at the moment. Huira isn't the answer but he hit better than Winker last season and appears likely at this moment to be better now. I'm not advocating that mind you. I think we let things go for May and reassess then. I'm just saying if a move is to be made now to win now Huira is a better bet than someone like Toro.