Diamondbacks (Kelly) vs Brewers (Burnes): 6/19/23, 7:10pm

[yourout]

1 minute ago, Pugger said:

But what if Yeli would want a chance at a championship?  It ain't gonna happen anytime soon in Milwaukee so if he wants to win that could be enough incentive to him to move on now that he's playing well and could bring fresh new talent to WI along with Woody and Burnes.

He doesnt seem to like the limelight but I wonder if the Yankees had a rash of injuries and came calling would he listen.

[BruisedCrew]

1 hour ago, edfunderburk said:

Our 2 & 3 hitters are hitting. .198 & it’s not mid-April but mid-June 

How embarrassing 

 

and please - don’t tell me “ batting average no longer matters”

Even if BA isn’t important, you can look at their OPS which is equally bad. 

Then throw in Tellez (.623 OPS since May 1) and Miller (OPS of .474 in June after his hot start) and that’s a pretty woeful 2-5 in the batting order. 
 

The even sadder thing is that the 6-9 hitters are no better so shuffling the lineup isn’t going to help. Contreras is the only other competent hitter after Yelich. 
 

 

[yourout]

Diamondbacks are no fluke.

Certainly belong in the discussion as favorites to get to the series.

[Fear The Chorizo]

57 minutes ago, trwi7 said:

This happens every year with at least one player.  Start out as a part time player where you can get favorable matchups, do well in those favorable matchups, ride “hot hand” where player plays every day or almost every day, matchups aren’t favorable anymore, stats fall off a cliff.

Yep, and it's primarily because every season the Brewers open with a bunch of supposed veteran everyday players that aren't good hitters, so the bench players get exposed.  I don't blame guys like Miller and Anderson, I blame the likes of Adames, Tellez, Urias, Taylor, etc.

[adambr2]

4 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Yep, and it's primarily because every season the Brewers open with a bunch of supposed veteran everyday players that aren't good hitters, so the bench players get exposed.  I don't blame guys like Miller and Anderson, I blame the likes of Adames, Tellez, Urias, Taylor, etc.

Rowdy has never been good. For the life of me I can't understand why people expect him to be anything other than the replacement level player that he has pretty much been for his entire career. 

[bulldogboy0733]

16 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

Even if BA isn’t important, you can look at their OPS which is equally bad. 

Then throw in Tellez (.623 OPS since May 1) and Miller (OPS of .474 in June after his hit start) and that’s a pretty woeful 2-5 in the batting order. 
 

The even sadder thing is that the 6-9 hitters are no better so shuffling the lineup isn’t going to help. Contreras is the only other competent hitter after Yelich. 
 

 

Imagine if you could still shift. These guys would be hitting 150 each, Incredible. Ohtani is going to win a cy young and hitting like Mantle. All these guys have to do is hit. It's sad and incredible at the same time.

[bulldogboy0733]

It seems like ever since the brewers have had multiple hitting coaches they have been terrible. I wonder if it can be too many cooks in the kitchen type thing. One coach was good enough in the old days. Guys like Adames look like they are mentally paralyzed and thinking instead of swinging. 

[wiguy94]

This game probably puts the 2023 Brewers back level with the 2002 and 1997 Brewers as the 4th worst offense in franchise history by wRC+

[wiguy94]

Just now, bulldogboy0733 said:

It seems like ever since the brewers have had multiple hitting coaches they have been terrible. I wonder if it can be too many cooks in the kitchen type thing. One coach was good enough in the old days. Guys like Adames look like they are mentally paralyzed and thinking instead of swinging. 

It does seem like our hitters are genuinely just thinking too much and not actually hitting.

Guys like Rowdy, Adames, Anderson are all putting up the worst EV numbers of their careers and they just seem so unsure/frustrated while at the plate. 

Watching the D-Backs be so aggressive on 1st pitches tonight was a thing of beauty meanwhile our hitters are taking so many hittable pitches early in counts then expanding the zone after they get down.

[yourout]

3 minutes ago, bulldogboy0733 said:

It seems like ever since the brewers have had multiple hitting coaches they have been terrible. I wonder if it can be too many cooks in the kitchen type thing. One coach was good enough in the old days. Guys like Adames look like they are mentally paralyzed and thinking instead of swinging. 

I know we've tried this before but at some point you just need to ditch these guys and try someone else. It isn't like these guys have had a long track record of success developing hitters.

[bulldogboy0733]

2 minutes ago, yourout said:

I know we've tried this before but at some point you just need to ditch these guys and try someone else. It isn't like these guys have had a long track record of success developing hitters.

If one guy sees it one way and the other guy sees it another who wins? What is the protocol?? You only have one pitching coach. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

14 minutes ago, bulldogboy0733 said:

It seems like ever since the brewers have had multiple hitting coaches they have been terrible. I wonder if it can be too many cooks in the kitchen type thing. One coach was good enough in the old days. Guys like Adames look like they are mentally paralyzed and thinking instead of swinging. 

I think the problem isnt too many hitting coaches - it's not enough hitters.  Best hitting coach in the history of the game wouldn't look very good at his job with generally morbid and streaky at best hitters littering the clubhouse.  Adames looks like he did with the Rays, which is why they traded him away for a pitcher with chicken wire holding his elbow together and another reliever.

Many thought the Brewers' pitching would nosedive when Johnson left for the Reds post 2018 and they did just fine without him, because they collectively had pitching talent.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, yourout said:

From a pure mechanics stand point the Brewers have some of the most significant quirks that you just don't see on most other big league teams.

This refers more to an organizational-wide thing, but watching the game tonight I decided that I'd love to have a two week pass to travel through the D-Backs organization--at all levels--and watch their minor league hitting instructors, the things they emphasize, philosophy, mechanics, even drills they run. And then spend two weeks throughout the Milwaukee organization to compare. I brought this up in another thread, about how many other teams seem to have hitters arrive to the bigs looking much more "ready" to compete. It doesn't speak to the vets on the Brewers struggling, but there are a lot of relatively inexperienced people on Arizonas' roster that put up ABs that belie that inexperience.

[wiguy94]

13 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Adames looks like he did with the Rays, which is why they traded him away for a pitcher with chicken wire holding his elbow together and another reliever.

It's pretty well documented that Adames couldn't see the ball at the Trop after they changed the lights and the numbers totally back up that theory. 

2019 - 56 wRC+ at home and 122 wRC+ on the road

2020 - 64 wRC+ at home and 173 wRC+ on the road

2021 before being traded - 61 wRC+ at home and 86 wRC+ on the road.

Rays were also very big fans of Rasmussen considering they drafted him out of high school but he didn't sign.

[treego14]

Turn the page!

[SF70]

Positionally, this team needs all new players. They have the talent in the minors and they just need to commit to developing them at the big-league level. 

It should start as soon as Frelick and Hiura get their strokes going at Nashville. Turang the same.

Tellez and Winker can both go. They are both the antithesis of what this team should be. Just lazy and slow as molasses. Move on.