Brewers (Hall) vs Diamondbacks (Gallen): 9/15/24, 3:10pm

[RobertCrawley]

6 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

He also said it was a “consensus decision “ among the pitching group……I assume that is Hook and Henderson.

Did anyone ask him if he knew Devin William's position with the team?

He is The Closer.

[willie key]

Murphy just stole that chourio moment

that team looks pissed off 

[BCF]

Murphy said there was no one available in the bullpen besides Williams 

Basically the logic was with two left handed hitters to have Koenig face them and if there was 2 outs Williams would come in. 
 

He said there’s no wear and tear really from getting up and throwing in the pen and coming into the game is much different on the body 

The logic makes some sense if they only wanted Williams to throw 5-10 pitches max 

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

Coming into the presser, I was with everyone here, and I probably remain so. But I thought Murphy's logic was sound. He was trying to get Koenig to to get to 2 (or 3) outs with two lefties sandwiches Marte, and then bring in Devin to face Christian Walker with two down. It didn't work, but the logic made some sense.

Edit to emphasize that I still disagree with the decision.

Even though I'm a huge Turang fan, that was a makeable play by him on the Carroll base hit. One of the few balls he can hit that would've probably been a routine DP. Would've saved this thread a # of pages, too.

Koenig has gone multiples, and the LHHs coming up did give it a semblance of reason. What adds fuel to the fire is that DW was up, then sat. Then if they DO get to the point where he's used for one out, he gets back up again? They got caught second-guessing, or something during the initial warmup made Henderson or whoever not want to see him throw 22 pitches. 

[rickh150]

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41 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

I’m so sick of Murphy’s in-game managerial decisions, especially when it comes to pitchers ( and lineups).

Manager of the year….by far. To you he is underperforming?

[Playing Catch]

2 minutes ago, willie key said:

Murphy just stole that chourio moment

that team looks pissed off 

Stop it with that "stole the moment" nonsense. I'm sure they're all pissed off, Murphy most of all. But that doesn't mean there's some locker room mutiny simmering.

[Recovering Chicagoan]

Just now, willie key said:

Murphy just stole that chourio moment

that team looks pissed off 

Understandable. But then, there have been plenty of games where the pitching bailed out a lack of offense. This game happened to be the other way around. Disappointing that the usually (but not always, of course) reliable bullpen guys couldn't nail it down today. Tough to lose a game that initially looked lost early on but then suddenly looked like a win later in the game -- until it wasn't.

[Jim French Stepstool]

11 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

Did anyone ask him if he knew Devin William's position with the team?

He is The Closer.

He is, unless he's unavailable on a given day. The actions taken today appeared to say he's available today, then no he isn't, then yes he is but only for a hitter or two. That's where the egg on the face comes from.

[willie key]

2 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

Stop it with that "stole the moment" nonsense. I'm sure they're all pissed off, Murphy most of all. But that doesn't mean there's some locker room mutiny simmering.

Who said mutiny.   They looked pissed though.   

[wiguy94]

With the news of the Payamps injury, I think that moves the biggest problem with Murphy's managing today to the 2 sac bunt attempts.

 

[RobertCrawley]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

He is, unless he's unavailable on a given day. The actions taken today appeared to say he's available today, then no he isn't, then yes he is but only for a hitter or two. That's where the egg on the face comes from.

Indeed. Devin was not happy. This is his job, and he's damn good at it.

Give him a two-run lead with the ghost runner, I like our chances a whole lot.

[rickh150]

30 minutes ago, yourout said:

Is there ever been a division winning manager that got let go in the off-season?

Awful.  Questionable calls in this game for sure, but I think he has earned leeway this year and next.  Manager of the year.

[Brewcrew82]

Hudson pitching for the Sounds right now, so you can probably scratch him getting recalled tomorrow. 

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Hudson pitching for the Sounds right now, so you can probably scratch him getting recalled tomorrow. 

They have to make a move. They can't go into a game with Civale, Milner, Paredes as the only available arms. Payamps will probably have to hit the IL. I'd guess that would mean Peguero would be back up.

[Brewcrew82]

5 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Hudson pitching for the Sounds right now, so you can probably scratch him getting recalled tomorrow. 

On the subject, Hudson looks really good. Velo sitting 92-93. Getting whiffs on the sweeper. That's a bright spot coming out of tonight.

[BCF]

Curt Hogg

 

@CyrtHogg

 

Devin Williams said he understood the decision that was made in the 10th. Physically, he doesn’t have any concerns and told the team he was available. He also said he got up in the top of the 9th in case they took a lead. “If we would’ve taken the lead it would have been me.”

[rickh150]

Bullpen has been great….throwing Koenig another inning with lefties up sounds good….even now.
It stinks it turned out this way, but we have had numerous arms close games this year. This is not abnormal. The abnormal parts are Williams actually throwing in the bullpen with a one run lead with two on and no one out in the 10th….and not pulling a pitcher whose wheels have come off for somebody else.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

22 minutes ago, HarveysWBs said:

If that is all true, then Murphy got too cute by at least a half. That is such a narrow strategic path he tried to walk, that I think he was destined to fail, because Devin still had to warm up so it's not like you completely spared him. So Devin didn't get total rest, the rest of the bullpen is still shot with seven more games before a day off, and we lost a winnable game against a key team. Just brutal.

I agree completely.

And here's the other thing. Arizona had their best pitcher in for two innings and had to pull him in the 10th after nearly 30 pitches. They pulled him (a righty) with a righty coming up and had to bring in a lefty. Which gave Murph plenty of time to think and Williams plenty of time to be loose and ready.

I see what Murph was thinking. But it was way, way too fancy. Just like walking Turang to get the platoon advantage against Chuorio. Williams is going to convert that save (two-run lead in the 10th) like 90-95% of the time. Koenig is probably still 70-75%, maybe even more, but it's a significant drop either way.

It was just a bad move. Does it matter that much? No, probably not. The odds of us catching the Dodgers or Phillies are still relatively low. The division is locked up. I'd rather not play the DBacks in round 1 (just think Atlanta or NYM are slightly better matchups, though I'm afraid of San Diego most of all), so losing to them actually helps us avoid them on some level. It was a crappy way to end a 4-2 road trip. But we'll get back up tomorrow night and try to clinch at home.

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, wiguy94 said:

They have to make a move. They can't go into a game with Civale, Milner, Paredes as the only available arms. Payamps will probably have to hit the IL. I'd guess that would mean Peguero would be back up.

Peguero would be such an unserious move. I suspect you may be right, but not even giving Misiorowski or Yoho a shot given the circumstances seems crazy. We already know Peguero can't pitch in high leverage. 

[wiguy94]

Just now, BCF said:

 

Curt Hogg

 

@CyrtHogg

 

Devin Williams said he understood the decision that was made in the 10th. Physically, he doesn’t have any concerns and told the team he was available. He also said he got up in the top of the 9th in case they took a lead. “If we would’ve taken the lead it would have been me.”

So who is lying. Murphy saying Devin was only available for 1-2 outs or Devin saying he would have gotten the 9th if the Brewers got a lead in the top half?

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

Indeed. Devin was not happy. This is his job, and he's damn good at it.

Give him a two-run lead with the ghost runner, I like our chances a whole lot.

Me too. But Contreras would've been unhappy with days off in the first 2 months of the season, didn't want them, Murphy played him every day, and many fans thought that was a bad idea. Different positions & all that, but part of the job is saving someone from themselves, and the indecision made this look bad, as opposed to just staying away from him, period.

His not being happy doesn't bother me. Devin would probably throw 8 days in a row if they let him. It's the indecision. Even if they wanted from the get-go to use him for one hitter, then get him up for the 1st time AFTER the bottom of the 10th started.

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Peguero would be such an unserious move. I suspect you may be right, but not even giving Misiorowski or Yoho a shot given the circumstances seems crazy. We already know Peguero can't pitch in high leverage. 

Based on Murphy's comments in Hogg's recent article about Hudson and Misiorowski, I have a feeling he has no interest in Misiorowski being called up.

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Based on Murphy's comments in Hogg's recent article about Hudson and Misiorowski, I have a feeling he has no interest in Misiorowski being called up.

Would just be another old man gaffe by Murphy. We know what Peguero offers to this team and that is absolutely nothing. 

Maybe Arnold pulls the trigger anyways or they call up Yoho who is equally deserving. 

[Bulldogboy]

3 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Based on Murphy's comments in Hogg's recent article about Hudson and Misiorowski, I have a feeling he has no interest in Misiorowski being called up.

Why should that matter. Hey skip here's a guy who throws 100mph. Use him or I'll find someone who will. By the way I want to hear why they walked Turang for Chourio. That move has been wiped away. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

11 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

They have to make a move. They can't go into a game with Civale, Milner, Paredes as the only available arms. Payamps will probably have to hit the IL. I'd guess that would mean Peguero would be back up.

Why wouldn't Williams be available tomorrow?