2025 Packer's Draft Day

[CheezWizHed]

20 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I didn't say you said he was a bust. I don't think you said he was a bust. But if we are giving "passes" on Eric Stokes for being hurt, Javon Walker certainly deserves one as he had already reached star status in his 3rd year. He produced, but more than that he was a 6'3 215lber that ran a 4.38 and was a triple jumper at FSU.

Jordy Nelson was a great player. I think Jennings was really good, but a notch below Nelson. Jennings was soft as a cupcake, avoided contact in any context he could, and never had Jordy's other-worldly instincts. I don't think there was a better back-shoulder WR in the NFL than Jordy. 

But they didn't have the measurables or talent that Javon Walker did, and I think that's significant when the topic is the Packers drafting first rounders. Walker was precisely the kind of talent that people have wanted the Packers to grab in the 1st round. I don't really believe that Jennings or Nelson do what they did without Rodgers, though I don't think Nelson ever got the respect he deserved around the league, because, well, you know. I think they're good in their own right, but I do believe Walker would have been a star just about anywhere if healthy.

Clearly, Jennings, Nelson and Driver had more productive careers, but I don't think any of the 3 are the prototype that Walker was.

I'll agree that Walker was the better athlete than either, but he wasn't the WR that either Jordy or Jennings exhibited... His hands, route tree, and ability to read the defense were all worse.  Once he lost his speed due to injury, he was toast as a player because he couldn't do any of the rest well. 

Honestly, I think Walker and Watson have far more in common... though ironically Walker was healthier his first 3 years. A healthy Watson and a healthy Doubs slotted back into that Favre led team in 2004 probably produces similar results to Walker and DD. 

[Sixtolezcano]

19 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

No, I'm saying he's both, not just a possession WR, but if you want a "possession" WR, he's also that. 

4.29 40 and in the top 5 in the power 4 schools now at big plays...AND shockingly, he can also catch the ball and pick up 6 yards on 3rd down. 

Even the best NFL “deep threat” receivers such as Bob Hayes, Paul Warfield, James Lofton, A.J. Brown and Justin Jefferson caught 6 yard passes on 3rd down. Every deep threat receiver in NFL history caught short yardage passes, therefore they are both.

[JosephC]

19 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

giving myself a day to digest. I would have liked Amos in the 2nd and Sawyer in the 3rd. I don't have much of an opinion on the 3rd day picks. That being said, reading up on Belton and Williams, they seem like players that the Packers would target. 

I'm classifying Belton as a tendency-breaker.  From NFL.com-

• The Packers have drafted 14 offensive linemen during Gutekunst's seven-year tenure as GM, 2nd-most in the NFL during that span. Out of the 13 OL picks who were invited to the Combine, the average weight was 309 pounds, lightest among any team's OL draft picks over that span. Only one weighed more than 313 pounds (Sean Rhyan at 321 pounds).

That and Belton's Next Gen production number was higher than his Next Gen athleticism number.  He was the only player in this draft that had a higher production number.  The running total for Gutekunst picks are 63 athleticism, 16 production.

[patrickgpe]

@JosephC that’s fair but I was referring his versatility rather than his next gen stats 

[CheezWizHed]

We sign Jamon Dumas-Johnson as an UDFA and everything says he is from Kentucky... but then you find out that he played there one year after transferring from Georgia....  That makes 3 defenders from this draft!

Boy do we have a thing for Georgia players! 

• Javon Bullard – Safety

• Devonte Wyatt – Defensive Tackle

• Quay Walker – Linebacker

• Trey Hill – Offensive Lineman

• John FitzPatrick – Tight End

• Mecole Hardman – Wide Receiver

• Warren Brinson - Defensive Tackle

• Nazir Stackhouse – Defensive Tackle

• Jamon Dumas-Johnson - Linebacker

[young guns]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

Dumas

Seeing this name only makes me think of that one commercial.  I hope he makes the team because it's just a fun name.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

We sign Jamon Dumas-Johnson as an UDFA and everything says he is from Kentucky... but then you find out that he played there one year after transferring from Georgia....  That makes 3 defenders from this draft!

Boy do we have a thing for Georgia players! 

• Javon Bullard – Safety

• Devonte Wyatt – Defensive Tackle

• Quay Walker – Linebacker

• Trey Hill – Offensive Lineman

• John FitzPatrick – Tight End

• Mecole Hardman – Wide Receiver

• Warren Brinson - Defensive Tackle

• Nazir Stackhouse – Defensive Tackle

• Jamon Dumas-Johnson - Linebacker

Stokes was a Bulldog too.

[JosephC]

6 hours ago, young guns said:

Seeing this name only makes me think of that one commercial.  I hope he makes the team because it's just a fun name.

Reminds me of Ohio State safety Zack Dumas.  Back when football was football and actually fun to watch!