2025 Packer's Draft Day

[HarveysWBs]

So much for liking the WR room. Message delivered: we’re going to have tryouts, because the passing offense wasn’t good enough.

[wildcat83]

Watching a broadcast on Peacock, their analysts said horrible route runner and bad hands, lol.  Claimed he won’t be able to be a true WR, compared to Patterson as a just get the ball in his hands type guy.  

[HarveysWBs]

6 minutes ago, wildcat83 said:

Watching a broadcast on Peacock, their analysts said horrible route runner and bad hands, lol.  Claimed he won’t be able to be a true WR, compared to Patterson as a just get the ball in his hands type guy.  

Yeah, having a worse drop rate than Wicks—11.8%!—is not exactly confidence-inspiring, is it? Makes me wonder what they want him to do that we can’t try with existing personnel. I don’t know, guess we’ll find out.

[CheezWizHed]

Just now, wildcat83 said:

Watching a broadcast on Peacock, their analysts said horrible route runner and bad hands, lol.  Claimed he won’t be able to be a true WR, compared to Patterson as a just get the ball in his hands type guy.  

ESPN profile says "inconsistent hands" but he has 10.25" hands (one inch more than Jared Reed's).  You'd think it would be like throwing the ball in a basket. 😂

But I guess I got my WR diversity pick.  Just surprised they doubled up so quickly. 

[CheezWizHed]

3 minutes ago, HarveysWBs said:

Yeah, having a worse catch rate than Wicks—11.8%!—is not exactly confidence-inspiring, is it? Makes me wonder what they want him to do that we can’t try with existing personnel. I don’t know, guess we’ll find out.

Make them look better at catching the ball? 

[HarveysWBs]

Just now, CheezWizHed said:

Make them look better at catching the ball? 

Guess I’m pregaming with Maalox this year. This is shaping up to be a lot of open receivers turning into 50/50 catch propositions.

[Matt Breen]

Sanders is eating a lot of humble pie today. Wow. 

[HarryDoyle]

10 minutes ago, Matt Breen said:

Sanders is eating a lot of humble pie today. Wow. 

 

[BrewerFan]

7 hours ago, bigred said:

Receivers like Calvin certainly don't grow on trees. You realize this, right? There's a reason those types of players are considered "generational talents". 

That was kinda my point. Obviously you want size+speed+route running+great hands.

That's...as you said, rare. I'm good with 5'11 and elite speed, route running, hands. 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, HarveysWBs said:

I’ve wanted Green Bay to try power football, running identity and aggressive defense pretty much ever since Rodgers started to slide. Hafley is certainly more aggressive than our usual fare on that side of the ball (leaving aside the part about the player quality he is working with, draft capital aside), and now they’re clearly finding some big fellas to play on the line, which is also a step in the right direction. But I was hoping to see moves that close the gap between 11 wins and 14. I’m not sure Belton was it, at least for this year.

They definitely made a change last year with Jacobs. MLF is now running a pretty unique offense. That Shanahan style offense, but not zone blocking, more gap/power scheme. Just downhill power running.

I liked Belton...and I would have been fine with Simmons in the first rd. I don't think you've ever got enough OL/DL.

I DO hope they can find...some way to add a CB who can contribute. Perhaps a trade with the Chiefs given all their CBs are set to be Free Agents and them adding a really good CB. 

 

I think Doubs is very likely trade candidate. I don't get the Savion Williams pick, but if you're going to run him at RB, put him in motion and let him return kicks...alright. 

 

After Nohl Williams was gone, there wasn't a really good CB left. 

[homer]

 

 

[wildcat83]

Pretty sure Sanders was invited to the draft.  Good thing he didn’t attend, he’d be the first guy to still be sitting in the green room day 3.

[homer]

 

 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm just glad the Packers recognize their talent deficiency at the skill positions and aren't listening to most of their fans. Thank God Gute isn't happy with having the 4th best No. 4 WR in the league. Love needs better targets. 

We've still got people pretending Bo Melton is an asset. Doubs is gone after this year if he isn't traded before then, and who knows what the future is for Watson. They would have very likely needed to draft one next year anyway. 

[bigred]

6 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

They definitely made a change last year with Jacobs. MLF is now running a pretty unique offense. That Shanahan style offense, but not zone blocking, more gap/power scheme. Just downhill power running.

I liked Belton...and I would have been fine with Simmons in the first rd. I don't think you've ever got enough OL/DL.

I DO hope they can find...some way to add a CB who can contribute. Perhaps a trade with the Chiefs given all their CBs are set to be Free Agents and them adding a really good CB. 

 

I think Doubs is very likely trade candidate. I don't get the Savion Williams pick, but if you're going to run him at RB, put him in motion and let him return kicks...alright. 

 

After Nohl Williams was gone, there wasn't a really good CB left. 

The main thing that concerns me about Belton, is he's had issues with keeping his weight under control. The other, is he may have trouble with speed rushers. 

[BrewerFan]

56 minutes ago, bigred said:

The main thing that concerns me about Belton, is he's had issues with keeping his weight under control. The other, is he may have trouble with speed rushers. 

Well, he's a pro now and the vetting system is pretty in depth. I'd guess they felt good about that. As for the Speed rushers, yeah, that's possible, but he's also long and has pretty good feet. Just a speed rusher is usually pretty easy to run off, it's the really good edge rushers who use the speed rush and then dip inside, but also, an issue the Packers have to be aware of, Jordan Love takes a deeper drop than other QBs(as did Rodgers). 

This could mean that he'll play OG. 

Could mean Tom plays LT and he competes for a year. I was good with the idea of taking Josh Simmons in Rd1(better when every article talked about him torn ACL...which is not the injury he had). I just think you need an elite OL and the Packers are trying to build that.

I think there's a real chance the guy taking one spot ahead of us will bite us like when the Eagles took Mitchell a couple spots earlier, DeJean was taken one spot ahead, Terrian Arnold was taken ONE spot ahead(the later two by trading up). 

But Azareye’h Thomas, the guy I thought was the best possible fit in Rd, he went after, Amos, Revel, Porter, so many of these CBs went after. 

Rd3 was really the most confusing to me, but... I've wanted to sign Cordarelle Patterson for a few years(at least after his first year with ATL). So...we're good. 

 

Best case sceanrio, the Packers are able to trade Doubs for a 4th. The Raiders, Cowboys are teams looking for WR depth and Doubs to Dallas seems like an easy move. 

 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The Packers draft has signified the Packeritis epidemic to perfection. On another Packers forum, the Packers "had one of the best WR groups in the NFL, just no standout star" as of last week. If you peruse the same board today, the two picks are being praised as desperately needed to bolster the WR group. Hilarious. That said I like both of the picks, I do think they need more talent there, and I am glad they got their big body, wherever they play to use him.

Gute must REALLY believe they do have the pass rushers on the roster already. Everyone wants Reggie White, but I never got the sense their defense limited them last year. Their offense was 100% the reason they lost to Philadelphia.

[BrewerFan]

I'm hoping that Doubs is moved today for a 4th rd pick. That's high, but Dallas saw what he could do and it'd set us up to really at least bring in some bodies to add some good depth. 

Rd4 DTs-Jordan Farmer, FSU. Stout vs the run, good pass rusher. Not like Fiske from last year, but I think he'll be an impact player and very good against the run. 
CJ West-I think Farmer is a little more well rounded, West is a better athlete. Flip a coin, I'll take either. 
Edge
Ty Hamilton. I think he's purely a sub package DT, but he's very good holding up vs Double teams. 
Jack Sawer-I don't think they're going to take an edge at this point with the depth they do have, they must like Cox Jr(and I really didn't like either OSU edge rusher). But this is a good place for him.
Antwaun Powell-Ryland is interesting, but if they're going to take one here, Brayden Swinson from LSU is the #1 choice IMO. 

CB-Zy Alexander is not a guy with great speed, but he just played well. 
Quincy Riley, 
The CB position as a whole doesn't have much left. I'd really like to see a trade with KC given their depth and so many guys set to become Free Agents. 

Huge upside guy Zah Frazier, Zemaiah Vaughn is a physical long athletic CB, Korie Black, Bihal Kone a small school guy, he could be in play. and then just solid depth guy from Iowa Jermari Haris. He's not a great athlete, but...he's tough, he's physical. 

 

LB-Buchanan Cali, he's a really good player. He could develop into a 3 down player with his speed but he hits those running lanes fast and he's a great athlete with good size. Cody Lindenberg from Minnesota as a 5/6th rd pick. Good vs the run. Kobe King, PSU...he's a capable run defender. 

 

The rest, mostly Rds 5-7...

Jamon Duman-Thomas is a former UGA LB, went to Kentucky. 6' 240, he's a thumper. 
Smael Mondon, he was a favorite of mine last year, but he's a Quay Walker type(in fact I think he just took over for him). He got bigger this year, he's fast, but I'm looking at MLBs good vs the run. 

Edge-Elijah Williams from Morgan St. 6'2 290, he's athletic, he can certainly kick inside...he would be fun. 
Tyler Batty, BYU 6'5 271...both of these guys would be interesting 7th rd picks. 
David Walker is not a very Packers type pick, 6' 260 RAS in the mid 8s. He's more of an effort player, but might be worth a shot.

Que Robinson is a guy I'd really take a look at 5th or later. 6'4, 255, he's been pretty good vs SEC OTs and he is a under the radar name that could be interesting. 

 

Other players, Sander is still on the board. I'd absolutely consider moving Malik for a 3rd next year if we could get Sanders. I think he's a developed and mature passer who could thrive in this system. 

Marcus Mbow is the Zach Tom of this draft to me. I think he will be a really good Center. I don't think we'll go back to OL in the 4th, but...if they do. OG Frazier from LSU is still on the board as is Dellinger, the later is an OC/OG...maybe a late day 3 pick, priority UDFA?

DTs Ty Robinson is a big, super athletic pass rush DT, Deone Walker...I'm really hoping he ends up in GB, but he's had weight issues as well. If he gets the weight under control, he can look like an All-Pro DT. When he plays with good pad level and is in shape, he's got a chance to be unstoppable. Otherwise, he anchors very well vs the run. 

Nash Hutchmaker is a guy I know from his Wrestling days. He was one of the top Wrestling recruits in the Country. Actually caly me back after losing about 40 pounds and Wrestled for Nebraska in 2024. He hadn't Wrestled in 4 years and came in late, so the undefeated 4X HS State Champ wasn't great, but...I think it says a lot about his work ethic. High effort player. 7th/UDFA type.

I'm gonna assume a trade, Doubs to the LAC who really need help at WR...and throw out one more mock that...I hope happens.

Farmer is a high upside DT, Kennard is a long, athletic edge. Buchanan a plug and play MLB. Frazier, Vaughn are both guys who need time and...we MAY be going to more of a cloud coverage scheme like we had under Barry. That's not an inherently bad thing, Barry just ran it poorly, but they're both guys who profile to play better in man. Hamilton is a guy who could go top 4 in Rd 4 or go undrafted. I don't know. 

Jason Marshall from Florida is a guy I didn't see was available, but I'd have taken him(though Hamilton is really hard to turn down as he could turn into a Milton Williams type impact player in a few years). 

 

 

Bottom line, we better hope they work it out with Jaire because if not, we're going to be wishing for an Eric Stokes! Jaire, Ballentine, Stokes and...who else, Roschell all gone, Hobbs added? Not complaining. Building around you're young QB is paramount. You spend 50M AAV, give him what he needs, but...now lets try and give Hafley what he can develop!

[BrewerFan]

9 hours ago, homer said:

 

 

This kinda ruins RAS for me. He just ran and measured his size. That can't give you an RAS. 

I'd be willing to bet if the CBs all worked out at the combine, they'd have gone earlier. Anyway...

 

9 hours ago, wildcat83 said:

Pretty sure Sanders was invited to the draft.  Good thing he didn’t attend, he’d be the first guy to still be sitting in the green room day 3.

This is the point where...you have to consider taking him, no?

I don't think there is any "collusion" going on with him...which is what's trending on Twitter and...silly. But the kid is pretty athletic, but he's a really advanced QB. Not a superstar, but he could be an outstanding system QB. 

He's everything Brock Purdy or Kirk Cousins are.  I get there were concerns he was going to come in and want things done a certain way, but what he reportedly said in a couple interviews, his goal was to "come in and change the culture." That was seen as arrogant. Well...it was like the Giants and bad teams. You need your culture changed.

He gets the ball out on time, good accuracy, incredible anticipation. Doesn't have the physical skills in terms of arm strength, speed or running ability, but...it's the 4th. 

I'd consider it if there are any Malik Willis takers and maybe even if there aren't. 

Though, I'll be just fine if we draft a good DL/CB. 

[homer]

4 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

This kinda ruins RAS for me. He just ran and measured his size. That can't give you an RAS. 

 

He doesn't have a RAS. 

[JosephC]

I like Belton and think he's under-rated.  Guys get to a certain size and the experts just assume they can't play left tackle.  I think he could stick there and be pretty good.  Interesting to hear Gutekunst talk about him.  He just would say "can play all the spots except center."  I almost get the vibe that they picked Belton to play guard. On more than one occasion Gutekunst said, he can handle guys inside.  But again, they could have taken him to play left tackle but Gutekunst doesn't want to say it because that makes his last year's #1 pick look not so good.  In any event, he certainly should be insurance for tackle considering both have free agency coming up.

I'm not a fan of Savion Williams at all.  Size and straight-line speed but not much else.  Stiff as a board and is a gear-down player when changing directions in his routes.  Fairly nasty piece from Acme Packing Company (linked below) where their writer just pretty much says Williams cannot play the position.  IMO, that's going too far, but when reading various reports he does seem to be that size/speed guy where people think speed = athleticism but in this case it does not.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/green-bay-packers-draft/2025/4/23/24414725/nfl-draft-2025-most-overrated-wide-receivers-luther-burden-savion-williams-isaiah-bond

So yesterday I wrote a little note about the Panthers and Bryce Young.  I looked at the picks last night and just couldn't help but think, has Gutekunst realized his 55 million average per year quarterback is really just an "above-average" starting NFL quarterback, so now he is going to throw all of his resources into players that hopefully will elevate the play of this guy?  Kind of looks like it to me.  And Big-Time credit to the media in Green Bay...the very first question Gutekunst got yesterday was a roundabout way of asking this.  Instead of being so direct, the reporter did the old, "you have a still developing quarterback, how much did that influence these picks."  Gutekunst did the typical GM-speak, "that's the way the board fell."  

[JosephC]

All three of the picks have been top-30 visits.  So for today's predictions, I'm throwing out everything that I previously did and focusing on guys who have been linked to the Packers.

4-124 - Elijah Roberts/EDGE/SMU

A top-30 visit.

5-159 - Jason Marshall Jr./CB/Florida

A top-30 visit.  I've been looking at Marshall since early February and have always liked him as a late-round candidate.  I think this would be a round too early for him though.

6-198 - C.J. Dippre/TE/Alabama

No connection to Packers (that I know of).

7-237 - Dalton Cooper/OT/Oklahoma State

A top-30 visit.  Could also be John Williams, Esa Pole, Jacob Bayer who were also top-30 visits.

7-250 - Zeek Biggers/DT/Georgia Tech

Not a top-30 visit, but did meet with the Packers at the combine and they haven't taken a DT yet in this scenario....

[Matt Breen]

I'm thinking they have to address defense depth:

4th round prospects:

Edge: Jack Sawyer, Barryn Swinson
DT: Joshua Farmer, Ty Hamilton, Ty Robinson
LB: Chris Paul Jr., Danny Stutsman, Smaal Mondon Jr.
CB: Quincy Riley

Probably missed someone in there. There's some nice OL still available - so wouldn't be shocked we grab another if someone falls.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 hour ago, JosephC said:

I like Belton and think he's under-rated.  Guys get to a certain size and the experts just assume they can't play left tackle.  I think he could stick there and be pretty good.  Interesting to hear Gutekunst talk about him.  He just would say "can play all the spots except center."  I almost get the vibe that they picked Belton to play guard. On more than one occasion Gutekunst said, he can handle guys inside.  But again, they could have taken him to play left tackle but Gutekunst doesn't want to say it because that makes his last year's #1 pick look not so good.  In any event, he certainly should be insurance for tackle considering both have free agency coming up.

I'm not a fan of Savion Williams at all.  Size and straight-line speed but not much else.  Stiff as a board and is a gear-down player when changing directions in his routes.  Fairly nasty piece from Acme Packing Company (linked below) where their writer just pretty much says Williams cannot play the position.  IMO, that's going too far, but when reading various reports he does seem to be that size/speed guy where people think speed = athleticism but in this case it does not.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/green-bay-packers-draft/2025/4/23/24414725/nfl-draft-2025-most-overrated-wide-receivers-luther-burden-savion-williams-isaiah-bond

So yesterday I wrote a little note about the Panthers and Bryce Young.  I looked at the picks last night and just couldn't help but think, has Gutekunst realized his 55 million average per year quarterback is really just an "above-average" starting NFL quarterback, so now he is going to throw all of his resources into players that hopefully will elevate the play of this guy?  Kind of looks like it to me.  And Big-Time credit to the media in Green Bay...the very first question Gutekunst got yesterday was a roundabout way of asking this.  Instead of being so direct, the reporter did the old, "you have a still developing quarterback, how much did that influence these picks."  Gutekunst did the typical GM-speak, "that's the way the board fell."  

It's a good problem to have. They have Walker, Morgan, Belton and Rhyan competing for 2 jobs. Walker probably has a leg up, but most can move around on the line. Three will likely start a game with injuries, possibly four. If Belton is even mediocre you have 7 capable OL. 

I'll see how they plan to use Williams first. I read it was his play as a ball carrier that got them excited. To me the translation there is he will see time in the running game where Reed is used. 

I find the article pretty sensationalized, particularly comparing stats with another WR from a different school. Stats from college aren't worth a lick. It's completely dependent on how their college coach uses them and has nothing to do an NFL scheme. Third round flyer on a 6'5, sub 4.5 40, when you badly need WR talent, isn't something I'll ever be upset about. 

[LouisEly]

15 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I do think it's funny when people claim someone is a reach. I heard all week Shadeur was the next big thing. I really doubt Belton was going to last to the mid 3rd if GB took him 54. 

Spot on - Belton would not have been there in the 3rd.  There was talk that the Bears would have nabbed him right after the Packers did.  Instead, the Bears had to pick Ozzie Trapilo because they feared that the OL would be gone later.  Bears strategy got tanked when Banks went #9 right before their pick.

Two things stood out to me on day 1 and 2 - there was a big run on the big uglies on both sides of the ball.  There was a run on DT and a run on OL.  It's a copycat league, and I think a lot of teams went in with the strategy to copy the Eagles of going after OL and DT.  I said before that I thought that there was a big dropoff on DT after the 1st round.  Hell, they all got scooped up before #23.