2025 Packer's Draft Day

[CheezWizHed]

5 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Kinda feels like... *NEARLY everyone was happy about it...

 

Did someone say they didn't like him because he isn't 6'4, 6'5?

Double post on my part, but sort of yes... We have many WR with the same body type.  I would've preferred a 4.4-4.5 6'2"+ type.

I can't say I'm depressed about the pick, but Golden wasn't on my list of targets because he is so similar to Reed. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I personally think assigning random numbers to WRs is a bit meaningless. "This guy is not a 1, this guy is good, but he's a 3 at best." I just don't think any of it really matters.

I also would have preferred someone bigger, but if he plays like Steve Smith I couldn't care any less. I just think the way Love plays, a big body would help. He takes a lot of risk, he will throw into traffic deep, he will take a shot into double coverage...Watson really started to become that guy right before he got hurt.

But like I said, they need Golden to become their best WR, or maybe Reed takes the jump, but they need production out of him, and quickly. The group as it stands is not good enough. It's average; deep, but with average talent.

[Brewin]

38 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

Love to see the packers make a Christian Watson type move and trade #2 and #3 to move up to get Will Johnson.

I've seen multiple posts from you and it's clear you really like Johnson. It also appears to be clear the entire league has major injury red flags on him or he would have gone last night in Round 1. Maybe if he drops to them in Round 2, but trading up would be a significant risk if he is flagged medically 

[JosephC]

I'm not a fan of Golden.  Of the "big 4" receivers (not including Hunter), I liked him the least.  Drops too many passes, sounds like his route running needs significant improvement and his production while at Houston was pretty average.  Thing I do like is that Golden had a 162 yard game in the second game against Georgia this year, so a big-time performance in a big game against top competition.  But when looking at the game-by-game numbers this year, there are also a lot of games where he just didn't do much.

I would like to think that the Giants were in contact with Green Bay, and if not Green Bay certainly should have been calling the teams early in round two that still might have been looking for a QB (Browns, Giants, Jets, maybe even the Saints) to see what they could get in a move down scenario.  I would have taken the deal the Giants made with the Texans.  Two third rounders for an 11 spot move down the board in this area is just a tad bit light, but an 11 spot move down would have been easy for me looking at needs and the rankings of what was left on the consensus board-

1 - Will Johnson/CB/Michigan

2 - Mike Green/DE/Marshall

3 - Matthew Golden/WR/Texas

4 - Luther Burden III/WR/Missouri

5 - James Pearce Jr./DE/Tennessee

6 - Josh Simmons/OT/Ohio State

7 - Donovan Ezeiruaku/DE/Boston College

8 - Maxwell Hairston/CB/Kentucky

9 - Nic Scourton/DE/Texas A&M

10 - Josh Conerly Jr/OT/Oregon

11 - Trey Amos/CB/Mississippi

12 - Donovan Jackson/OG/Ohio State

13 - JT Tuimoloau/DE/Ohio State

14 - Shavon Revel Jr./CB/East Carolina

15 - Tyleik Williams/DT/Ohio State

16 - Landon Jackson/DE/Arkansas

17 - Jayden Higgins/WR/Iowa State

Worst case scenario is 10 of these players come off the board and you are left with only 6 to pick from (moving down 11, but you would know that one player would be the QB the Giants are taking), but there would still be enough there for me to bail on #23 and take the two third rounders.  Actually a pretty easy decision IMO.

So as it sits now, only the Browns would be picking ahead of the Packers (probably pretty likely as this point that they take Shedeur Sanders or another team deals up to that spot to take Sanders), and all these guys are still left on the board, ranking is the overall ranking on the consensus board heading into the draft.

9 - Will Johnson/CB/Michigan

16 - Mike Green/DE/Marshall

22 - Luther Burden III/WR/Missouri

29 - Donovan Ezeiruaku/DE/Boston College

35 - Nic Scourton/DE/Texas A&M

37 - Trey Amos/CB/Mississippi

39 - JT Tuimoloau/DE/Ohio State

40 - Shavon Revel Jr/CB/East Carolina

42 - Landon Jackson/DE/Arkansas

44 - Jayden Higgins/WR/Iowa State

Offensive line and defensive tackle are now off the board, but at #34 there are 2 wide receivers, 5 defensive ends and 3 cornerbacks to pick from.  There is enough left where I would consider moving down again, but would have to think long and hard if it was more than six or seven spots down.  If I'm stuck at #34, then I'd pick Will Johnson.  Workout numbers are a definite concern, but the college resume is so impressive that he is worth rolling the dice on at #34.

[homer]

Guys, we really, really, really don't want to give people timeouts during the draft. So let's start the new day out with new attitudes and let bygones be bygones. If someone disagrees with you, that's ok. If someone bothers you in the way they disagree, scroll past their post. If you find that difficult, put them on ignore. But above all, don't insult people and have fun. #gopackgo #thebearsstillsuck #football #fans #lambeauleap #peterozelle #powersweep

[Team Canada]

4 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Good lord! I love on and you're ALREADY on here with your...positivity! 


Is this constant delightful disposition still my fault? 

 

I don't know, maybe what I said was just too...complicated? 

There are way too many posts to quote so I'll just use this one as an example.

STOP.

We'll just start hiding things and you can take a timeout from the site. You can disagree with people and debate issues but the over the top condescension will not be tolerated.

edit: Homer beat me. :)

[JosephC]

Updated guesses:

2 - 54 - Ashton Gillotte/DE/Louisville

LouisEly's projection of Darien Porter looks more likely now and I thought hard about him here, but he hasn't played that much and it doesn't sound like he's played up around the line much at all.  Gutekunst is probably all in love with him because of the athleticism, but he doesn't seem like a good fit.  I still think the safest projection here is Jordan Burch, but I'll stick with Gillotte even though his ranking is way down the board.

3 - 87 - Jacob Parrish/CB/Kansas State

A bit of a risky projection because he is short.  5-9 3/4.  Outside from that, reports are that he has played press and zone, plenty of experience playing inside and outside.  Even though he is short, he weighed in at 191 pounds at the combine and the workout numbers were plus-plus across the board.

4 - 124 - Ty Hamilton/DT/Ohio State

I previously had him on my list of players I'd like to see the Packers pick.  Now in this projection with the Packers taking Parrish instead of CJ West in round three, I can project Hamilton to the Packers in round four.  One-gapper seems like a good fit for the direction Hafley wants to go.

5 - 159 - Caleb Rogers/OG/Texas Tech

6 - 198 - Teddye Buchanan/LB/California

7 - 237 - Jalin Conyers/TE/Texas Tech

7 - 250 - Melvin Smith Jr./CB/Southern Arkansas

I had previously projected LSU OG-Garrett Dellinger here.  I've been considering more and more how the Packers have used so many "30" visits on lower-ranking offensive linemen.  Jacob Bayer, Dalton Cooper, Esa Pole, John Williams.  None of these guys made the board that I put together (list ended at #224), and just to pick a number, I don't think any of them have a greater than 20% chance of being drafted (but certainly the Packers could take any since they have two very late picks).  I just get the vibes that the Packers are leaning towards drafting one offensive lineman, and then hope to get lucky and fill another spot with an undrafted guy.  So instead of projecting two offensive lineman, I'm going to flip and project two cornerbacks.

 

[LouisEly]

2nd - Jordan Burch, DE, Oregon - can play all across the line, ability to move inside on passing downs reduces the need to draft a DT.

3rd - Nohl Willliams, CB, Cal - CB depth, special teams play, ability to be a KR/PR

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Double post on my part, but sort of yes... We have many WR with the same body type.  I would've preferred a 4.4-4.5 6'2"+ type.

I can't say I'm depressed about the pick, but Golden wasn't on my list of targets because he is so similar to Reed. 

I didn't see you articulate this...which was the claim.

I'd prefer to have a 6'6 245LB Calivn who runs a 4.29.

But the biggest thing in getting a WR was the speed. The ability to get off the LOS and to force the defense to play with a safety over the top as that's what you lost with Watson. So in that respect, I liked Golden more than I liked the other WRs who went in the 1st rd.

The body type is a smaller issue to me. The speed, route running and how elusive they are is more important.

Wicks has incredible route running. He's had very good and then terrible hands his first two years.
Reed is...I think he's actually more akin to St. Brown.

Doubs is a little bigger(thicker at least) WR who is pretty good at finding holes in the zone.
I also think Melton is still a really talented WR and Health is excellent #6....

 

But the 4.29 was the #1 priority, again, why I liked that Thornton from Tennessee.

[CheezWizHed]

2 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I personally think assigning random numbers to WRs is a bit meaningless. "This guy is not a 1, this guy is good, but he's a 3 at best." I just don't think any of it really matters.

I also would have preferred someone bigger, but if he plays like Steve Smith I couldn't care any less. I just think the way Love plays, a big body would help. He takes a lot of risk, he will throw into traffic deep, he will take a shot into double coverage...Watson really started to become that guy right before he got hurt.

But like I said, they need Golden to become their best WR, or maybe Reed takes the jump, but they need production out of him, and quickly. The group as it stands is not good enough. It's average; deep, but with average talent.

I'm mainly thinking #1, #2, etc... in terms of production.  Do we have a #1 WR on the team (i.e. top 30 in the NFL)?

Not "Do we have a Davante Adams that gets 95% of Rodgers' throws" type #1 WR.

[Matt Breen]

I'm guessing the team eyes up a DL or a CB in round 2. 

Corners include Johnson, Morrison, Revel, Amos, Azareye'h Thomas, 

DL includes a bunch of edge types. Quite a few of those available (Ezeiruaku, Tuimoloau, Landon Jackson, Jack Sayer, Courton). Jordan Burch probably offers a bit of a safer pick - a guy who can play inside if needed, and plays the run well. Maybe not the pass rush threat as some of the others guys. 

At DT I like Shemer Turner. I think a lot of upside - but also some question marks (although most guys have question marks). Darius Alexander is another interior guy.

Personally, I am interested in a DT more than an edge guy - but whatever works and whoever is there is fine. 

A few non DL/CB I'd take include LB Carson Schwesinger. And I'd have no problem grabbing another WR - such as Burden or Higgins - if available. And there's nothing wrong with adding an OL - but I think the club saves that for later.

For round three, the club can take the same path - CB and DL. Maybe even OL. Of course, the list grows for this round. Joshua Farmer, TJ Sanders, Ty Hamilton - for instance. I doubt WR Jack Bech lasts to the 3rd, but I'd snag him if he was there. 

Should be fun.

I just hope we don't reach - like we did with Ty'Ron Hopper. I still don't get that pick. But whatever. 

[CheezWizHed]

3 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I didn't see you articulate this...which was the claim.

I'd prefer to have a 6'6 245LB Calivn who runs a 4.29.

But the biggest thing in getting a WR was the speed. The ability to get off the LOS and to force the defense to play with a safety over the top as that's what you lost with Watson. So in that respect, I liked Golden more than I liked the other WRs who went in the 1st rd.

The body type is a smaller issue to me. The speed, route running and how elusive they are is more important.

Wicks has incredible route running. He's had very good and then terrible hands his first two years.
Reed is...I think he's actually more akin to St. Brown.

Doubs is a little bigger(thicker at least) WR who is pretty good at finding holes in the zone.
I also think Melton is still a really talented WR and Health is excellent #6....

 

But the 4.29 was the #1 priority, again, why I liked that Thornton from Tennessee.

It was a timing thing... I literally posted it as you posted... Trying to be funny with Barney raising his hand. 😉

The biggest thing with WR isn't speed. It is catching the ball. Getting open makes catching the ball easier.  Speed makes getting open easier...but route running also makes getting open easier... as does a WR size and catch radius... and beating press coverage. 

Reed has good speed (Golden's 40 yd dash speed is "special"), but he struggles to separate in man coverage.  Wick's speed is average, but is really good at separating because of his route running.  If Wicks could catch the ball, he'd be out producing Reed as a WR. 

Perhaps Golden won't have the same problems, but the book on smaller WRs is to press cover them with someone over top deep.  We shut down Jefferson several times when we had Jaier press covering him. 

[JosephC]

Round one impressions-

I would have had a real hard time as a Brown's GM getting off Travis Hunter and moving down.  But Jacksonville are no guarantee to be good next year, so getting their first round pick could very well mean two top 10 pick in 2026 because the Brown's have no chance of being good.  Considering they still need a QB, this should give them the ammo to get about anyone they want in next year's class which I would imagine would have to be better than this year's class was.  As far as the Jaguars, Trevor Lawrence was supposed to turn that franchise around but he's been average and the team as a whole is still faceless and seemingly irrelevant.  I think it was about time for them to make another big splash move, and Hunter seems like a reasonable guy to do that with. 

Everybody, including me, had kind of fallen into the idea that the Panthers had to go with a rusher since their defense was historically bad last year.  They went with WR-Tetairoa McMillan.  There is no question that WR was a need for this team.  Still, even with an overhauled front office, it just goes to show when a team drafts a mediocre guy as their "franchise quarterback," the lengths they will go to try and prop that guy up.  I still have serious doubts about Bryce Young, although I will acknowledge his numbers in the back part of last year were much better.

Kelvin Banks was top 5, then seemingly dropped down to the early 20's, but had been on the rise again recently.  He was #15 on that last board I put together.  But I was very surprised to see him go in the top 10.

It was a great night for offensive linemen last night.  Everyone that could have gone in the first round did go in the first round...and then a few more.  Top remaining offensive linemen on the board are Aireontae Ersery (#52) and Ozzy Trapilo (#62).

I didn't like the Bears pick of Loveland at #10.  I'm glad they did not wind up with Ashton Jeanty, as it was heavily rumored that they were looking to make a move.  Even after free agency, I don't think that DL is what it is hyped up to be and DT would have been a better pick.

I figured the Cowboys knew that they would lose out on Jeanty to the Raiders or Bears (I had the Raiders moving up in my last projection to secure him), and would take a receiver at #12.  McMillan or Golden?  In they end they took Tyler Booker, which was a real shock to me.  IMO, very similar to the Packers and Aaron Banks.  A need area, but do you really want to throw that many resources into an area that does not seem to be a PRIMARY need area, and then come out with a player that just really doesn't seem worth the investment?  I do think Booker will end up being no worse than a solid player for them and could be really good.

Falcons.  Between last year and this year, I just don't get this team at all.  Not at all.  Either this front office is brilliant, or they don't know what the hell they are doing.  I tend to think it's the latter.

The Seahawks #1 need probably was interior offensive line.  But with the way they cleared out the wide receiver group (even though they still have a real good one), I thought Egbuka or Golden or Burden would be a better pick than Zabel.  I like Zabel, but to me he's late first round early round two material.  #18 seems to high when there are other team needs to address.

Egbuka at #19, there goes my guy.  I figured it was 50/50 at best that he would have made it to the Packers.  I do think if he was available at #23, that Gutekunst would have taken Golden ahead of him, but I definitely preferred Egbuka.

Derrick Harmon to the Steelers at #21.  He should be very, very, very good.  Not sure if he would have been an ideal fit in Green Bay, but as a DE for them, absolutely perfect.  Not a bit surprised by this pick.

I think the Vikings did pretty well with Donovan Jackson at #24.  My offensive line friends really, really like him and thought he was vastly under-rated as a mid to later 30's type player.  Now we'll find out.

Really, really surprised the Commanders went with Josh Conerly after trading for Tunsil.  I'm not sure Conerly fits at anywhere else on the line other than LT.  Commanders were short on picks and still have some significant need areas.  Again, great day to be an offensive lineman.

 

 

[homer]

To add some context to the Reed comparison, Golden has bigger hands (by a little) and a wider wingspan (by a lot):

Reed - Hand 9 1/8 Wingspan -73 1/8

Golden - 9 1/2, 76 3/8

 

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, Brewin said:

I've seen multiple posts from you and it's clear you really like Johnson. It also appears to be clear the entire league has major injury red flags on him or he would have gone last night in Round 1. Maybe if he drops to them in Round 2, but trading up would be a significant risk if he is flagged medically 

Maybe. We said the same about Cooper DeJean last year.

I don't want to give up our picks until later in Rd4 though. Just gonna have to hope Revel, Thomas, Morrison, Amos, one of those guys lasts until 54 and then...Nohl Wiliams until the 4th rd(I view him as a very safe pick, so...I'd be willing to take more of a risk on the CB). And then in Rd 3 give me Burch or Alexander from Toledo(probably gone) and I'd be giddy.

 

I think DT is the biggest need now after CB.

And then we need IOL. Lots of guys in the 90-120 range(on the big boards).

[BrewerFan]

28 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

It was a timing thing... I literally posted it as you posted... Trying to be funny with Barney raising his hand. 😉

 

I was probably just bouncing back and forth between boards...but

29 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

The biggest thing with WR isn't speed. It is catching the ball. Getting open makes catching the ball easier.  Speed makes getting open easier...but route running also makes getting open easier... as does a WR size and catch radius... and beating press coverage. 

No, of course that's not the more important trait for a WR overall, It was the biggest trait WE were missing. Someone who forces the defense to play with a safety playing over the top. It just opens up so much of the field. We had so many big plays running long crossers or just simple route concepts away from Watson because you have numbers.

WR is a mix of a lot of things. Route Running and Hands are the most important. Wicks looked like a budding star as a rookie and then his hands were awful, but he's still got the elite route running.

Reed is just a chess piece you move all over, Doubs is pretty good at everything. Melton...I've still got some hope for. He looked so good late in '23, but I was talking about just complimenting this core.

 

33 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Reed has good speed (Golden's 40 yd dash speed is "special"), but he struggles to separate in man coverage.  Wick's speed is average, but is really good at separating because of his route running.  If Wicks could catch the ball, he'd be out producing Reed as a WR. 

Well...that's why I said he reminds me of Adams. He's been good/bad/good/bad the last 4 years now. He wouldn't have been there in Rd5 if not for the drops his last year of College. So I think he'll come along.

Reed is really good at contested catches and he's physical...he's not really an X or a Y but we run so much bunch and pre-snap motion, I don't think that's as important. If you have one guy with great feet who can beat press...Wicks is the best, but Doubs is solid, Golden looks really good at it, but the Pacers were so much better with Watson out there. You can line up Kraft, Reed and Musgrave in the bunch, Jacobs at RB...Watson or now Golden split left and the defense HAS to take a safety and play over the top or you've got what should be a high pct play.

 

57 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Perhaps Golden won't have the same problems, but the book on smaller WRs is to press cover them with someone over top deep.  We shut down Jefferson several times when we had Jaier press covering him.

Yeah, but...that's a win right there. An elite CB and a Safety dedicated to one player. And Jefferson burned us quite a few times as well, but Jefferson is the best WR in the league(him and Chase at least). Golden is more Waddel, Smith...if he's Olave with that speed, that's great.

And Watson should be back in some capacity. I'm not convinced he's done in GB. 

[BrewerFan]

39 minutes ago, JosephC said:

Really, really surprised the Commanders went with Josh Conerly after trading for Tunsil.  I'm not sure Conerly fits at anywhere else on the line other than LT.  Commanders were short on picks and still have some significant need areas.  Again, great day to be an offensive lineman.

I think if you have that type of athleticism in the modern NFL, you can play RT and you can play Guard.

I thought that was a great pick. No need is as big as the OL with a young QB...IMO.

41 minutes ago, JosephC said:

I think the Vikings did pretty well with Donovan Jackson at #24.  My offensive line friends really, really like him and thought he was vastly under-rated as a mid to later 30's type player.  Now we'll find out.

I think he's Elgton Jenkins pre-ACL...and minus the Center ability. But a good athlete.

Simmons, the OTHER OSU LT could be the steal of this first rd if his knee is healthy.

43 minutes ago, JosephC said:

I would have had a real hard time as a Brown's GM getting off Travis Hunter and moving down.  But Jacksonville are no guarantee to be good next year, so getting their first round pick could very well mean two top 10 pick in 2026 because the Brown's have no chance of being good.  Considering they still need a QB, this should give them the ammo to get about anyone they want in next year's class which I would imagine would have to be better than this year's class was.  As far as the Jaguars, Trevor Lawrence was supposed to turn that franchise around but he's been average and the team as a whole is still faceless and seemingly irrelevant.  I think it was about time for them to make another big splash move, and Hunter seems like a reasonable guy to do that with. 

I loved that for the Browns. Arch Manning is still a big time prospect and even if he doesn't come out, Cleveland is in a 3-4 year rebuild. OL, QB, the draft looks better at a lot of positions next year, but if there's not a QB you love, you do it again. You trade back draft two OL, get the OL ready for when the QB comes. They'll still suck, look for a team like Tenn that wants to trade up for a QB and you could have 2 top 10s again next year. The Browns should be among the favorites to have the #1 pick. Look at what the Bears did as their road map...

And the Jags, I don't think they're good, but Hunter could give them a big boost and Lawrence is capable of playing at a high level.

 

48 minutes ago, JosephC said:

In they end they took Tyler Booker, which was a real shock to me.  IMO, very similar to the Packers and Aaron Banks.  A need area, but do you really want to throw that many resources into an area that does not seem to be a PRIMARY need area, and then come out with a player that just really doesn't seem worth the investment?  I do think Booker will end up being no worse than a solid player for them and could be really good.

Falcons.  Between last year and this year, I just don't get this team at all.  Not at all.  Either this front office is brilliant, or they don't know what the hell they are doing.  I tend to think it's the latter.

The Seahawks #1 need probably was interior offensive line.  But with the way they cleared out the wide receiver group (even though they still have a real good one), I thought Egbuka or Golden or Burden would be a better pick than Zabel.  I like Zabel, but to me he's late first round early round two material.  #18 seems to high when there are other team needs to address.

Booker was an awful pick. Jerry did the right thing in the past with Martin over Johnny Manziel and he's seemingly trying to recreate that, but I don't think Booker is anywhere near the prospect Martin was.

The Falcons, I wish they offered that trade to the Packers. Maybe they did and we liked Golden that much?

Start working the board so they have a chance at a top 5 pick in the 2027 NFL draft. That Jeremiah Smith is the best looking WR I've seen in a while.

Seattle got one of the 3-4 players I think is a near lock to be an AP caliber player(Hunter, Abdul-Carter, Warren and Zabel) but you took a center 18th. He has to be...not Jason Kelce, but...closer to him.

The Sr bowl though, he and Deone Walker were both outstanding, so I get it. I'd love Walker but not before 159. Then just hope for 2023 Walker. 

Pearce from Tenn just seems like a situational edge...but look at Von Miller. Nearly identical frames.

[CheezWizHed]

I love this quote by Gute... great sense of humor:

 

 

[Matt Breen]

A lot of buzz has the Packers looking at Burch - which makes a lot of sense. Good all around player who fits a need - and a good chance he'll be there.

Of course, you never know who will fall. 

[bigred]

I hope GB trades up in the 2nd to get the Edge/DE from Boston College. Tha dude is an absolute beast! Highly doubt they will, though. 

[bigred]

5 hours ago, JosephC said:

I'm not a fan of Golden.  Of the "big 4" receivers (not including Hunter), I liked him the least.  Drops too many passes, sounds like his route running needs significant improvement and his production while at Houston was pretty average.  Thing I do like is that Golden had a 162 yard game in the second game against Georgia this year, so a big-time performance in a big game against top competition.  But when looking at the game-by-game numbers this year, there are also a lot of games where he just didn't do much.

I would like to think that the Giants were in contact with Green Bay, and if not Green Bay certainly should have been calling the teams early in round two that still might have been looking for a QB (Browns, Giants, Jets, maybe even the Saints) to see what they could get in a move down scenario.  I would have taken the deal the Giants made with the Texans.  Two third rounders for an 11 spot move down the board in this area is just a tad bit light, but an 11 spot move down would have been easy for me looking at needs and the rankings of what was left on the consensus board-

1 - Will Johnson/CB/Michigan

2 - Mike Green/DE/Marshall

3 - Matthew Golden/WR/Texas

4 - Luther Burden III/WR/Missouri

5 - James Pearce Jr./DE/Tennessee

6 - Josh Simmons/OT/Ohio State

7 - Donovan Ezeiruaku/DE/Boston College

8 - Maxwell Hairston/CB/Kentucky

9 - Nic Scourton/DE/Texas A&M

10 - Josh Conerly Jr/OT/Oregon

11 - Trey Amos/CB/Mississippi

12 - Donovan Jackson/OG/Ohio State

13 - JT Tuimoloau/DE/Ohio State

14 - Shavon Revel Jr./CB/East Carolina

15 - Tyleik Williams/DT/Ohio State

16 - Landon Jackson/DE/Arkansas

17 - Jayden Higgins/WR/Iowa State

Worst case scenario is 10 of these players come off the board and you are left with only 6 to pick from (moving down 11, but you would know that one player would be the QB the Giants are taking), but there would still be enough there for me to bail on #23 and take the two third rounders.  Actually a pretty easy decision IMO.

So as it sits now, only the Browns would be picking ahead of the Packers (probably pretty likely as this point that they take Shedeur Sanders or another team deals up to that spot to take Sanders), and all these guys are still left on the board, ranking is the overall ranking on the consensus board heading into the draft.

9 - Will Johnson/CB/Michigan

16 - Mike Green/DE/Marshall

22 - Luther Burden III/WR/Missouri

29 - Donovan Ezeiruaku/DE/Boston College

35 - Nic Scourton/DE/Texas A&M

37 - Trey Amos/CB/Mississippi

39 - JT Tuimoloau/DE/Ohio State

40 - Shavon Revel Jr/CB/East Carolina

42 - Landon Jackson/DE/Arkansas

44 - Jayden Higgins/WR/Iowa State

Offensive line and defensive tackle are now off the board, but at #34 there are 2 wide receivers, 5 defensive ends and 3 cornerbacks to pick from.  There is enough left where I would consider moving down again, but would have to think long and hard if it was more than six or seven spots down.  If I'm stuck at #34, then I'd pick Will Johnson.  Workout numbers are a definite concern, but the college resume is so impressive that he is worth rolling the dice on at #34.

According to most scouting reports, his route running is considered one of his biggest strengths. 

[bigred]

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I didn't see you articulate this...which was the claim.

I'd prefer to have a 6'6 245LB Calivn who runs a 4.29.

But the biggest thing in getting a WR was the speed. The ability to get off the LOS and to force the defense to play with a safety over the top as that's what you lost with Watson. So in that respect, I liked Golden more than I liked the other WRs who went in the 1st rd.

The body type is a smaller issue to me. The speed, route running and how elusive they are is more important.

Wicks has incredible route running. He's had very good and then terrible hands his first two years.
Reed is...I think he's actually more akin to St. Brown.

Doubs is a little bigger(thicker at least) WR who is pretty good at finding holes in the zone.
I also think Melton is still a really talented WR and Health is excellent #6....

 

But the 4.29 was the #1 priority, again, why I liked that Thornton from Tennessee.

Receivers like Calvin certainly don't grow on trees. You realize this, right? There's a reason those types of players are considered "generational talents". 

[patrickgpe]

6 hours ago, Brewin said:

I've seen multiple posts from you and it's clear you really like Johnson. It also appears to be clear the entire league has major injury red flags on him or he would have gone last night in Round 1. Maybe if he drops to them in Round 2, but trading up would be a significant risk if he is flagged medically 

Yes, there is an injury concern. Its going to affect Morrison as well. If he wasn't hurt he would have been a top 10 pick, so there is risk, but also there is value. I think he is if not the best CB is the draft, right behind Hunter when healthy. 

[HarryDoyle]

Sheduer Sanders definitely going to Dallas. Classic Jerry Jones maneuver.

[Oxy]

Dang. I wanted Ezeiruaku.  All the CBs still out there.....