Mitchell steroid probe; Latest - Clemens headed to Court; Congress

[Fear The Chorizo]

kinda throws a monkey wrench into the whole 'workout warrior' mantra Clemens has had throughout his career. It's probably a bit easier to work out like an animal when you're injecting yourself with substances that actually help you become one!

[MJLiverock]

This website was mentioned on the radio yesterday as already listing about 60+ players.

 

http://thesteroidera.blogspot.com/

 

I just hope this big hoopla about Mitchell's invetigation doesn't turn out to be just publishing this list again. My cynical side wouldn't be shocked at a big investigation headed by a former Senator being a total flop. Maybe the reason why no names have been leaked in the past couple days is that they are all already published and really not that interesting or new. I just have a bad feeling this list is going to be prettty shallow.

[craigharmann]

rumor has it that Mr. Roger Clemens is on the list, according to a trainer/personnel with the Yankees who said that he gave Clemens steroids during his first stint with the Yankees

 

ESPN radio just said the same thing.

 

This is a sad day. I'm not sure if I'm going to listen today to what is said. These are the guys playing the game I have loved for the majority of my life, the players that I wanted to play like and be like. I collected their cards, knew their stats, and wanted to know everything about them. Now, to find out that they were cheating to have an advantage, cheating to make millions of dollars, cheating and not caring about the little kids who looked up to them makes me want to run to the toilet and throw up repeatedly. I really wanted to hope that Roger (and a few others) really were just workout warriors and kept themselves in good health. Now, I just don't know what to say. This is sad.

[TauPentaRei]

This is disappointing because it will actually pave the way BACK for Bonds* to get into the Hall.

 

I mean, how do you keep Clemens out?

[JohnBriggs12]

My list includes Jim Thome, Glenallen Hill, Sammy Sosa, Albert Pujols, Jeff Kent, Randy Johnson, Pudge, and Nomar.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I really hope when this is all said and done, that we can stop talking about steroids so much. A guy pops positive, gets suspended, that's it.

 

Right now, NOBODY can accomplish anything at a high level in the bigs without being accused by someone of taking something to get there. And that's really sad.

 

"Joe Average hit 43 homeruns after hitting only 15 last year!!! He MUST be juiced!!!"

[jwill535]

ESPN reports Clemens got steroids while on the Yankees AND before... He also got dosages from another trainer.

Eddie(Roger Clemens and others): You surprised to see us, Clark?

Clark: Oh, Eddie... If I woke up tomorrow with my head sewn to the carpet, I wouldn't be more surprised than I am now.

[jaybird2001wi]

My thinking is that the majority of players named in this report will be New York-based players since the Mets' trainer was the most cooperative in the entire investigation. I wouldn't be surprised if 30-40 players named are former/current Mets/Yankee players.

[brewcrew00]

I spent some time living down in St. Louis, and as result my sure fire Roider is Albert Pujols. I've heard it discussed in several circles, and it would not surprise me at all to see him thrown on the list.

[RU Rah Rah]

It's a bad day for the game, no question. But I have to confess that I've always really disliked Clemens, particularly after he threw that splinter of bat at Piazza in the World Series. (But perhaps it was just 'roid rage.)

[Invader3K]

I've said it before many times, but my favorite Roger Clemens moment: The 2004 All-Star Game.

[gregmag]

"After reading this thread, I do believe that Eugene McCarthy's spirit is still alive and well in his home state."

 

Minnesota? Ending the Vietnam conflict? Say it ain't so, Joe.

Nice and nice. But, hell, I hate to be a downer, so I'll play. In the spirit of the careful logic and fair-mindedness that other people have brought to this party, I'll say that every player who had a good season since 1987 was on the juice, and every player who had a bad season was clean. The guys whose performance oscillated a lot obviously didn't have enough dealers on their speed dial.

Let's remember that, among the significant victims of the morons/bastards/take-your-pick who did use steroids were the great players who didn't. Everybody who pulls names out of his butt without having any actual knowledge to back the accusations is, IMHO, an accomplice to the dealers and users who have done so much harm to the game.

 

Greg.

[Brian the Automator]

Latest: Andy Pettite named

[berniebrewer4life]

ROGER CLEMENS DID ROIDS????????

 

 

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7106/blackguysbj3.gif

 

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6519/stunnedev2.jpg

 

ESPN reports Americans everywhere are stunned!

 

Seriously tho, how could we not see this one coming.

 

EDIT: The Pettite thing actually did kinda shock me, as i just didn't expect him to be a user.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Darn Yankees - another example of the big market bullies hoarding all the pill-poppers and roid-ragers so the rest of the league can't benefit from them!

 

Speaking of Pettite, I'm sure the Yanks are thrilled to owe him 16 million again this season right about now

[Brewtacular]

Latest: Andy Pettite named

But Dateline told us how him and Roger were great friends and how they worked out so hard. Stone Phillips have you lost your way?

 

[SeriesFinale]

After reading this thread, I do believe that Eugene McCarthy's spirit is still alive and well in his home state.

Gene was a Minnesotan; "Tail Gunner Joe" hailed from Wisc.

 

Well my face is red.

To be fair, at a certain point last night I should have been posting in the drunk thread!

Regardless I'll be very interested to see how much actual evidence is in this report.

[slack00]

These few lines from the ESPN article have me more interested in the release than I was before:

 

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The source said McNamee told investigators he supplied Clemens with steroids while Clemens was witih the Yankees, and prior to Clemens joining the team.

 

Also, The Bergen (N.J.) Record, citing a baseball industry official, says "several" prominent Yankees will be named in the Mitchell report. The paper said the source spoke to a third party who had seen the final report.

 

"It's going to be a rough day in the Bronx," the paper quoted the source as saying.

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[berniebrewer4life]

These few lines from the ESPN article have me more interested in the release than I was before:

 

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The source said McNamee told investigators he supplied Clemens with steroids while Clemens was witih the Yankees, and prior to Clemens joining the team.

 

Also, The Bergen (N.J.) Record, citing a baseball industry official, says "several" prominent Yankees will be named in the Mitchell report. The paper said the source spoke to a third party who had seen the final report.

 

"It's going to be a rough day in the Bronx," the paper quoted the source as saying.

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I'm calling it. The names will include Jeter, A-Rod, Rivera, Soriano, and in the biggest shock of all: David Wells.

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

looks like Orioles 2B Brain Roberts may also be named in the report.

 

this sort of makes me wonder whether front office people at least had a good idea on who would be involved in this - Tejada just got dealt (who I think is a no-brainer as far as being in this report), and Brian Roberts was on the block during the winter meetings as well (I think the Cubs were after acquiring him).

[Brewtacular]

FYI... A-Rods deal was finalized today.

[berniebrewer4life]

Anybody else wondering if Gagne will be named?

[crewcrazy]

So what are the odds that Yankees fans will claim that their team is being picked on due to George Mitchell having a stake in the Boston Red Sox? Or Cubs fans accusing Bud Selig of "helping" his old team by getting a few Cubs added on the list?

 

I'm as curious as anyone else about who's going to get named, but this could get ugly.

[RyDogg66]

http://deadspin.com/sports/is-this-the-list%3F/is-this-the-list-of-players-mentioned-333479.php

 

Deadspin has a list, they say was emailed to them from several people. The only Brewers are Gagne and Mota, ex brewers David Bell and Alex Sanchez.

[jason21nl]

So what are the odds that Yankees fans will claim that their team is being picked on due to George Mitchell having a stake in the Boston Red Sox? Or Cubs fans accusing Bud Selig of "helping" his old team by getting a few Cubs added on the list?

 

I'm as curious as anyone else about who's going to get named, but this could get ugly.

They were just talking about this on ESPNs first take. If no big named sox are on the list you can best that Yankee fans are going to start screaming about it. I didn't know that Mitchell had that strong of ties to the Red Sox.. I would hope that he would put that aside.