2025 MLB Draft Day 2 Thread

28 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

How I feel about this draft hinges completely on the singable guys from 11-20. I don’t think it was one of our best. 

How beautiful their voice is should not have anything to do with it, imho.

1 minute ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

How beautiful their voice is should not have anything to do with it, imho.

Lol unfortunate typo when putting a crying kid to bed. 

37 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

Lol unfortunate typo when putting a crying kid to bed. 

Was he crying because your draft opinions were undecided and leaning negative before signings are announced?

Observations:

See a little Doug Melvin era (Jack Z & Seid) last few years in the no clue where this kid can play defense or if he can at all but boy I like the bat. A little more shift from the C, SS, CF good defenders with advanced approach & hit tool that you hope bat/power clicks for they mostly were doing.

Curious how all it pans out since Pat isn’t tolerating of poor defense. Lot of guys who could find themselves at 1B or DH (luckily an option now), LF & 2B they use to be able to hide guys but again, they win by playing elite D in non shift era. Hard to do that hiding sub par defenders there.

I think they have really found confidence in their HS pitcher development. Seeing an uptick there past few years from originally being really 4 yr college or Juco heavy. I mean 11-20 They have always attacked HS talent but they avoid top 10 rounds mostly. Feel they have always liked prep bats with advanced hit tool & plate discipline. That has continued.

3 minutes ago, Jenkins5 said:

Observations:

See a little Doug Melvin era (Jack Z & Seid) last few years in the no clue where this kid can play defense or if he can at all but boy I like the bat. A little more shift from the C, SS, CF good defenders with advanced approach & hit tool that you hope bat/power clicks for they mostly were doing.

Curious how all it pans out since Pat isn’t tolerating of poor defense. Lot of guys who could find themselves at 1B or DH (luckily an option now), LF & 2B they use to be able to hide guys but again, they win by playing elite D in non shift era. Hard to do that hiding sub par defenders there.

I think they have really found confidence in their HS pitcher development. Seeing an uptick there past few years from originally being really 4 yr college or Juco heavy. I mean 11-20 They have always attacked HS talent but they avoid top 10 rounds mostly. Feel they have always liked prep bats with advanced hit tool & plate discipline. That has continued.

I do wonder if their success scooping up plate discipline and glove guys the last couple of years through unconventional methods has let them feel more comfortable going after more bat first prospects in the draft. In the last 2+ years they have acquired Blake Perkins, Isaac Collins, and Anthony Seigler through MLB FA, MiLB Rule 5, and MiLB FA. These are guys who all look to be solid depth players who if needed can step into a starting role and do well enough when needed. 

12 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Was he crying because your draft opinions were undecided and leaning negative before signings are announced?

No mainly the lack of high end (consensually ranked) talent with the big bonus pool we had. Hopefully the majority of those 4th-5th round talents from rounds 11-20 sign. Was really hoping for that Pratt type clear as day, impact guy after reaching down the board on day 1. Ideally a Matt Fisher (drafted in the 7th by the Phillies) would have been really cool. 

I know people rag on aggregated consensus rankings after drafts, but in baseball they’ve been pretty darn accurate. Sorry to throw cold water and it’s just my two cents. I am excited about Andrew Fischer and he should be a real quick mover if all goes well. Just think we’ve had better drafts is my instant reaction. Not saying this one is terrible by any means especially with the player development team the crew has now. If we get the majority of those kids it will help a lot. 

6 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

No mainly the lack of high end (consensually ranked) talent with the big bonus pool we had. Hopefully the majority of those 4th-5th round talents from rounds 11-20 sign. Was really hoping for that Pratt type clear as day, impact guy after reaching down the board on day 1. Ideally a Matt Fisher (drafted in the 7th by the Phillies) would have been really cool. 

I know people rag on aggregated consensus rankings after drafts, but in baseball they’ve been pretty darn accurate. Sorry to throw cold water and it’s just my two cents. I am excited about Andrew Fischer and he should be a real quick mover if all goes well. Just think we’ve had better drafts is my instant reaction. Not saying this one is terrible by any means especially with the player development team the crew has now. If we get the majority of those kids it will help a lot. 

Draft is too different now. Most guys you are hoping for are kids who are 11-20 selections now. If they have high evaluation in round 1-2 & not drafted there, most teams won’t take that shot unless they are confident their numbers are right, have the savings, & know what that kid will actually sign for. Big bonus pool is stretch after trade with Boston. Have to go pretty underslot with your top picks to really capitalize on. It’s not like having top 5 pick where you can easy save 3 million reaching down board a bit. 
 

Pratt was pretty upset with self. He played hard ball too strong with signability. Lucky for Brewers, 1) They were confident in their numbers & savings 2) they had really good relationship with Pratt & felt they knew actual amount needed & the interest for him to sign. You got to be really confident those before picking signability kid. 
 

Could rant about conscience boards but probably could just ask our New England & Midwest scouts how much cold weather territories are left out & pushed down boards. Right now Brewers are making a killing in those areas that other teams & national scouting services just don’t invest in much effort. Ginger is out here pulling kids straight from HS, getting them sent to AZ where off bat they are looking like they were 1st or 2nd round bonus babies.

42 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

No mainly the lack of high end (consensually ranked) talent with the big bonus pool we had. Hopefully the majority of those 4th-5th round talents from rounds 11-20 sign. Was really hoping for that Pratt type clear as day, impact guy after reaching down the board on day 1. Ideally a Matt Fisher (drafted in the 7th by the Phillies) would have been really cool. 

I know people rag on aggregated consensus rankings after drafts, but in baseball they’ve been pretty darn accurate. Sorry to throw cold water and it’s just my two cents. I am excited about Andrew Fischer and he should be a real quick mover if all goes well. Just think we’ve had better drafts is my instant reaction. Not saying this one is terrible by any means especially with the player development team the crew has now. If we get the majority of those kids it will help a lot. 

Yeah I’d be all on board with you if it was 3 years ago.

Enough good will has been built up, and the results of the past two years have been pretty darn cool.

I’ll take whatever this crazy thing is over the consensus. It feels like we are on to something here.

 

 

McCalvy's Day 2 synopsis is up w many quotes from Tod Johnson.

(1) 12th Rdr Cooper Underwood - good chance they can sign Him

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Round 12: Cooper Underwood, LHP
Bats/throws: R/L
School: Allatoona HS (GA)
Calling card: Does not light up the radar gun but “possesses some of the best feel for spin in this year's prep class,” according to his MLB Pipeline scouting report.
Quote: “He’s got incredibly high upside. He’s got a great opportunity to go to Georgia Tech if that’s what he chooses to do, but he has indicated before that he would be interested in signing – obviously, for a specific amount of money. We felt like this was a really good opportunity there. Steve Smith, the area scout there, has a really good relationship with him and we felt like it was too good to pass up at that point.” -- Johnson

On C Brendan Brock:

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Quote: “We would love to develop an athletic catcher who can run. Those guys are pretty rare. JT Realmuto comes to mind, but I’m not comping him to JT Realmuto. He’s got some aptitude of the position already. He’s committed to Oklahoma, so that’s another one that’s going to be a good route for him if that’s what he chooses to do. We feel like he has some openness to the discussion, at least.” -- Johnson

 

Fischer-Ebel are great positional adds to the system with both having at least future power potential, imo, a system weakness.

The pitching added looks to be similar to the last 2 drafts, so likely superior yet again thanks to their incredible all things pitching department. The waves of future pitching should be large enough to protect the team from injury and still have excess to trade from.

This team’s amateur draft process Johnson & co have put together is just incredible. It’s become as well-oiled of a machine as there is in this game. I’m in awe of this team’s infrastructure.

Hoping against hope the team can sign one of Brock-Cadiz. 

This team has so much organizational pitching depth, I’m hoping they spend a lot of their excess on one of the aforementioned positionals if it means they can sign one of them. 

If I were to guess (and I'm not right often), I would say Hughes, Underwood, Brock, Coil and Mills are the 11-20 rounders that they will sign.

The team has usually done well, and typically they sign their 11th/12th rounders, and usually sign between 4-7 of those 10 selection.

So I see a floor signing 4 of them, and it would not expect more than 5-6 of them given the higher end HS profiles, if I were to guess.

They are probably going to sign 8 guys in the top 250. Last year they had 3, previous year 6, 2022 they had 4. That makes this draft look pretty solid I think, but they do need to sign those guys plus a few upside HS players. 

I like this draft better than last year, assuming they only sign a few guys who have the option to go to college from rounds 11-20. Losing Levonas and not using the full pool bothered me last year.

people always bring up the 2023 draft but I reiterate that is like once a decade draft. The relationship our two scouts had with Pratt and Bitonti simply cannot be taken for granted. The whole Pratt situation was a huge break for the brewers and since their scout had a great relationship we got to pounce. That is why I love the brewers current setup. They trust their analytical modeling but they also still seem to be able to put emphasis on the human side of the game. 

I also love the drafting of cold weather state high school pitchers. Idk whether it’s the trust of these particular scouts or the lack of wear and tear on the kids arms. Or a combination of both. But I find it interesting.

Also if you are 17 the day of the draft there is a good chance the brewers are going to take you. I love that approach as well because it really gives these kids an extra 2 years to figure it out. 
 

Probably nothing, but a potential high school positional class of Ebel, Hughes, and Cadiz all being from SoCal... Any connections there?

Could be a cool 2B, SS, 3B dynamic to grow with.

It would be fascinating to know of the financial discussions that go on before and during the draft.  If you want to "save money" for later, you have to do it with your top couple of picks the way the slots are.  It wouldn't be surprising to me that teams develop their draft board and then go down their list seeing who will sign for 75% in those top couple of picks allowing the team to save some money for later "lottery picks".  Other than the year Frelick fell to them, this seems to be the process that the Brewers use and it seems to be working lately.

2 hours ago, BallFour said:

I like this draft better than last year, assuming they only sign a few guys who have the option to go to college from rounds 11-20. Losing Levonas and not using the full pool bothered me last year.

people always bring up the 2023 draft but I reiterate that is like once a decade draft. The relationship our two scouts had with Pratt and Bitonti simply cannot be taken for granted. The whole Pratt situation was a huge break for the brewers and since their scout had a great relationship we got to pounce. That is why I love the brewers current setup. They trust their analytical modeling but they also still seem to be able to put emphasis on the human side of the game. 

I also love the drafting of cold weather state high school pitchers. Idk whether it’s the trust of these particular scouts or the lack of wear and tear on the kids arms. Or a combination of both. But I find it interesting.

Also if you are 17 the day of the draft there is a good chance the brewers are going to take you. I love that approach as well because it really gives these kids an extra 2 years to figure it out. 
 

I really liked the 11-20th round concept of taking a number of high upside guys.  If you sign 4 or 5, you may have a bunch of 4th round talents taken late, and possibly cheap.  

Really a good mindset in the draft based off of their current depth throughout the system, I thought.

All of these guys sound intrueging 11-20. I think we should have 1.5-2 million extra with the 5% over. I would guess that we get Coil and at least 3 maybe 4 of the 11-20 HS guys. I am super interested in Brock, he will be 21 in a couple weeks so he really is a Junior. I guess he will be still 21 at next years draft but basically will be senior age. I would think anything over 400k (5th round money) should do it hopefully.