The Brewers Can And Should Keep Willy Adames In Milwaukee

Nah, take the pick for our excellent domestic draft-department and move on.

With Made-Pena-Pratt coming in 2-3 years and Boeve-Wilken possibly before then, the team just needs a 1-2 year stop-gap at 3B in order to stay the course with their mostly homegrown, lower payroll, financially-flexible roster moving forward.

Ortiz should be an incredible defender at SS and with more experience, improve in the box and become a 4-5 WAR SS in his own right.

Save the money and use it to extend the best and youngest of the special young talent (Quero?Made?Pratt?Pena?Payne?) currently stabled in our farm system.

This is one of those essays that very ably clarifies why the opposing view is right. You don’t get 3-4 years of peak value at Adames’s age. Defense at shortstop doesn’t stop mattering because you have great defense at 2b and 3b. The Mets’ Bonilla deal gets mocked for excellent reasons, and the Brewers don’t have Mets money.

Maybe most important, Adames’s intangibles — which I agree are huge — don’t make him the one person on the planet without whose leadership the Brewers will collapse. The team needs to trust its culture.  You don’t pay a player superstar money because of his value as a coach, and you don’t buy a middle infielder’s 30s for what his 20s have been worth.

Time to let Willy move on.  Keep the team young and the roster flexible.  

I'll always be an Adames fan, but best to let another team pay him during his eventual decline.

I hope he gets a huge deal.  He's earned it.

10 hours ago, gregmag said:

This is one of those essays that very ably clarifies why the opposing view is right. You don’t get 3-4 years of peak value at Adames’s age. Defense at shortstop doesn’t stop mattering because you have great defense at 2b and 3b. The Mets’ Bonilla deal gets mocked for excellent reasons, and the Brewers don’t have Mets money.

 

Maybe most important, Adames’s intangibles — which I agree are huge — don’t make him the one person on the planet without whose leadership the Brewers will collapse. The team needs to trust its culture.  You don’t pay a player superstar money because of his value as a coach, and you don’t buy a middle infielder’s 30s for what his 20s have been worth.

Actually, the Bonilla deal gets mocked for bad reasons. That transaction turned out well for the Mets. They saved the ~6M dollars, they went and got Mike Hampton, they made a WS, then the comp pick they got for losing Hampton turned into Wright...

Now...this suggestion is...ridiculous, but that Bonilla thing worked out well for the Mets. 

Clancy...LOL...I thought we were past this bud!

If you're going to come up with a silly deal, why not use Strausburg or Scherzer or any of the deferred money that the Player would agree to... taking that 60M that you'd be deferring it and if this was ACTUALLY like the Bonilla deal, you'd pay out 300M over 30 years. 

Willy would also be 35 at the end of the deal, the position we're MOST stacked at right now is SS. Turang, Ortiz, then you've got guys like Pratt, Made, Pena, Di Turi, Quintana, Areinamo, EBJ as well as...so many other young prospects like Baez plays the three IF spots...Adamczewski, Bitonti might be a SS yet if not for the half of a dozen talented young SS already playing there. Of course we've also got plenty of 3B as well and that may be where Adames is best suited to play...if he were to spend another 6 years with the Brewers. 

But mostly bud...the Bonilla deal working out for the Mets was based initially on a literal pyramid scheme and then it has been deemed successful because the Mets went to the World Series(with the player they got because they DIDN'T pay Bonilla that year) and because of the draft pick they got for him.

Otherwise...it is generally mocked and Bonilla only took it because it paid him out 30M for the 5.9M.

Finally, just because Spotrac projects 6/150 doesn't mean he's getting 6/150. If we offer 6/150, the Dodgers will probably go 7/180. If we foolishly want to pay until he's 37, they'll likely go a little higher. 

You think you have this silver bullet and it...just doesn't make sense. If Jackson Chourio is the player we THINK he is going to be and he's 27 years old with 3 years left on his deal, he's got 300 HRs and he's been healthy and you think you may get to see him hit 500, 600, get 3,000 hits and really want to extend him, lets MAYBE then, with 7 years from now address giving Chourio a massive extension where we'll pay for millions of dollars for a player that we know is going to see a sharp decline during that period, but at least we'll get the Tigers experience of watching a player from Venezuela hit HOF type landmarks...but until then, let's keep the 30-year Bobby Bonilla deferred money plan in the back pocket!

Brewers could arguably have three or four better players than Adames at 3B/SS in 3 to 5 years….paying them the minimum.  If he would do 2 or 3 years at 20 to 22 million, sure…..maybe.  Otherwise, it seems pointless to talk about.  

Brewers would have to get a huge discount for 4-5 years of Adames to even consider it.  And even then, I wouldn’t.

No. Just no. We don't need to repeat the Braun and Yelich blunders. 

Absolutely not.   Payroll if anything is going down.  I wish we had gotten enough for Adames to trade him before this year and we certainly can NOT sign him now.  No small market team can.  The system is rigged completely in favor of the big market teams.  If we can get enough in return Williams with his one more year of control needs to go too.   Small market teams must always be looking to improve their team every way they can because they CAN'T do what the big market teams can do.

8 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Were the Braun and Yelich extensions really blunders though?

Yes. 

Braun because of his PED thing, otherwise he looked poised to be a Molitor/Yount type Brewer.

Yelich because...you can't say we shouldn't commit the money to Adames while advocating the Yelich extension. Yelich is 32, just had back surgery, and has 4 more years left, then they owe him...what, 2.7M for 12 years. 

I don't blame the franchise for either, I was in favor of both, but you don't make either deal with the benefit of hindsight. And I hope Yelich can come back and give us a good year next year, but nobody is pushing to give him 88M the next 4 years and then another 30M deferred. 

7 hours ago, Trax said:

Absolutely not.   Payroll if anything is going down.  I wish we had gotten enough for Adames to trade him before this year and we certainly can NOT sign him now.  No small market team can.  The system is rigged completely in favor of the big market teams.  If we can get enough in return Williams with his one more year of control needs to go too.   Small market teams must always be looking to improve their team every way they can because they CAN'T do what the big market teams can do.

I agree, no, this is a terrible idea.

I do think some small market teams can but they have to be selective. I think the Twins signed a good deal with Correa. 

So if you're going to do it, get the prime years....but that's REALLY rare for a small market team. 

I also don't think the payroll is necessarily going down(though...probably). This team is set up to be REALLY good next year. Even if Williams is dealt, I think the Pen will be better. The Staff should be better. If ever there was a time to spend on another bat, it'd be this year...but for a short-term bat. 

I'd bet Attanasio and this FO would pony up 4/200 for Soto(in some reality in which that was realistic).