If you pass to an attacking player further up the pitch, the player receiving the pass cannot be closer to the goal line than the last defender The ball also trumps the last defender in any situation, so I would amend Diskono's explanation in this manner: If you pass to an attacking player further up the pitch, the player receiving the pass cannot be closer to the goal line than the last defender or the ball at the time the ball is played (passed, crossed, headed, etc.) EDIT: Oops, sorry yoshii8, I missed that you explained the ball/offsides thing. TooLiveBrew, I agree it was pretty obvious that Spain outplayed us by a lot, the US defenders and Tim Howard did a great job of packing it in, and taking advantage of counter attacks. Howard was nothing short of brilliant. I was overjoyed to see him play so well. Is he still with Everton in the E.P.L.? Our defenders were great, as well. It's funny how successful teams in almost any sport can be that play sound D & are opportunistic (aka lucky http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif) on O