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How has Hardy's name being inaccurately tied to this by someone speculating told us anything about future plans? I agree that it's likely J.J. would move or be traded to open up for Escobar, but I don't think the false rumor here tells us anything.
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Agreed. If anything, the LaPorta+Green+Cain offer is overpaying. If the Tribe insists on more, walk away. There are other SP out there, and plenty of talent in our system.
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The Dodgers are throwing a package of prospects out there for Jack Wilson, some of whom are also out there for Sabathia? I think it's more an indication that the offer for Sabathia is nowhere near ours. If they were really offering someone like Kershaw or Meloan or LaRoche for Wilson, the Pirates probably would've said 'Yes' already.
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Thanks TheCrew. Is Salome a special bat in general, or is he just a special bat at C? His smaller build (stocky/ripped, I know) makes me wonder if he could produce well enough to justify being a DH down the line. I guess that means that the question boils down to, 'Is Salome's defense good enough that he won't hurt you behind the plate?' EDIT: I'm reading through the thread that Brewcrewin07 linked (nice to see you over there, trwi7 http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif ). Here's an interesting comment that might shed a bit of light on the proceedings (yes, it is just one fan's opinion...): "One criticism I have of Shapiro is that he moves too slowly. Now, a good offer (I'm not able to evaluate it, myself) that expires (unless it's just a negotiating position) is the kind of situation where you would wish Shapiro was more decisive."
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But Rickie's not a good bunter even though he's fast. That'd be like telling McClung to 'get in there & hit us some HRs' because he's big. I don't like trying to force players to do things they aren't good at because they should/could be good at them.
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Thanks for sharing that link, Brewcrewin07. Just on the lead page, I found two successive posts that lend credence to you calling the site fair: "If we get LaPorta we probably don't get much else." "Personally, I'm OK with that. I'd rather have a player like Laporta and a lower level prospect (or two) than the compensation picks we'd get for letting CC walk. Of all the prospect names being bandied about, Laporta interests me the most." That makes me feel better that we're not just being homers & over-valuing our guys. EDIT: Combination of TLB and Cole Gillespie. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif Nicely played, yfinn. Conor Gillaspie (Wichita State) was taken by the Giants with the #37 overall pick in the June 2008 draft. I think you're crossing the streams there, craigharmann. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif
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He's not worth LaPorta but they might listen if we dangled Salome. Need some heavy-test line to dangle a fish like that. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif On Salome, how does he fit into the Brewers' plans if he isn't dealt? I've gotten the impression that he's very talented, but raw, and has a considerable amount to do to reach his ceiling. On top of that I've heard questions about whether or not he can stick as a C. On the other hand, Lucroy has appeared much closer to being fully developed... but also questions about the defense. Am I recounting anything correctly in there? It seems a C prospect that looked relatively sure to both hit & stick behind the plate should net more than a RP (albeit a very good one).
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Although Cleveland does need a closer. If the Dodgers do add Broxton to the deal, Cleveland has to take it and we'd need to tip our cap to Shapiro for pulling it off. He's a good pitcher, and they could certainly flip him if nothing else. I just don't know if CLE has the pitching to contend again with their current core. Losing Sabathia is (obv.) a huge blow to their rotation.
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I'm getting the impression that Shapiro is doing his best to 'play hardball' with Doug here. If roles were reversed, I'd want Doug doing the exact same thing. The trouble for CLE is that the Brewers have the best prospects to offer, and have their top guy already in the deal. If Shapiro wants a power bat, and splitter pointed out earlier that it's an obvious need for CLE, he's not going to get a better offer than LaPorta. Now I realize the deal won't be straight up like that, but to me the rest is about filler or fliers. There's no real way LAD can top our offer without sending someone like Broxton, who imo would be both dumb for LA to include & the Indians would have little use for him. The ball is in Shapiro's court. If he thinks trying to scare another prospect out of Melvin is worth the gamble of not getting LaPorta, that's his risk. Matt just appears to make way too much sense for the Indians, and there isn't going to be another hitting prospect that the Tribe will find to exceed him. I think they're waiting for the sake of waiting, or hoping they can make DM panic. EDIT: AndThat just posted about nested quotes... can we please keep them cut down?
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yet Dillon rates better. Small sample results, likely. Weeks is a superior defender at 2B because his range is way better than Joe D's. Stick them at 3B, and Dillon blows Rickie out of the water. I don't think his spectacular plays outweighs the routine plays he doesn't make. Nor do I, but the idea that Rickie boots the routine play enough to outweigh his vastly superior range at 2B doesn't hold water to me.
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Trying to use defensive metrics on the Brewers' infielders, especially SS & 2B, is a waste of time imho due the the excessive amount of shifting that Yost employs. Dillon is a more sound fielder, but Weeks puts his range to shame.
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For the wild card - the Brewers are in a fight with the Cardinals and the Marlins. I know the Phillies are atop the East, but I think they should be included too. There appears to be a fight for two playoff spots out of the Crew, Cards, Marlins, Mets, & Phillies. I agree the Mets are probably too old/dinged up, but they're certainly talented enough that I don't think you can count them out.
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Tulowitski needs thumb surgery after hissy fit
TooLiveBrew replied to molitor fan's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
I really understand & can relate to athletes that vent their anger like this (hyper-competitiveness imo), but it's always kinda fitting when the anger/tantrums result in injury. Probably best to keep one's cool over a decision as small as missing a few ABs, no matter how 'into it' you are. -
You specifically said that a player that is in the bottom third of starters offensively isn't MLB ready. You didn't put any qualifications on there, so age doesn't really matter to your statement. It's not the age, it's the caliber of prospect. I was only illustrating that Yount was regarded as a ridiculously good SS at age 19. That's all. Yount is a different animal. He was kept in the bigs because he could handle it, and at a young age was projected to be very good for a long time. Escobar is a good SS prospect, and I don't dislike that, but as best I'd seen, the jury was still out on Escobar's bat. We know his D is good enough (if not moreso) for the bigs. I just don't think you can compare the two. Mostly this boils down to what we think of as MLB ready. If Escobar can get on base enough, I'd think he's ready. I would just hate to see a year of his service time wasted (I think he will be a good player) so he can hit .280/.325/.365. Maybe I'm being too harsh. I think that with a full (or almost full) season in Nashville, he'd be ready to hit MLB pitching. Weeks & Hardy are still here, so there's no need to rush him -- though I agree that trade scenarios may change that.
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So the Brewers would get credit for Dana Eveland, but not Will Inman. They get credit for Zach Jackson, even though they traded for him, but not Turnbow since he pitched for the Angels first. Just the easiest way to do things. It's nice to see you actually did some digging on that, instead of just declaring it as an exasperated fan. I don't really agree with your criteria, but it does show that the Brewers have certainly been in the bottom. Leaving out Villanueva & Gallardo really bothers me, since it's very clear they're MLB caliber pitchers (& I'd feel that way about other young arms, too... Cueto & Volquez pop into my head for examples). When you're talking about developing successful pitching, and take VDLR over Gallardo or even Villy, I just think the methodology is off.
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Prince nearing a .900 OPS, is he still having a down year?
TooLiveBrew replied to obobo55's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
First of all, I'd like to establish that I've been a proponent of trading Prince for about a month now and I have no problem with his production. Just because people want to trade him, doesn't mean he's under performing. I respect that, TWR. You (imo) are in the minority, though. Most of the 'trade Prince asap!' talk came this season, right on the heels of how he was too fat to ever hit HR again. -
Of course, they'd probably blow it and move Escobar to 2nd instead so JJ won't cry like he normally does when he doesn't get what he wants. What are you talking about?
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The Cubs and picking up free agents during the season...
TooLiveBrew replied to BREWCREW5's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Two successful pickups = "it always seems to work out"? (and I think we'd better not go crowning Edmonds as a success yet... he started hot, that's all we know) Branyan, McClung... it always seems to work out for the Brewers! http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif -
[Your notion] would have prevented Yount from being in the majors when he was 20 years old. That was a different era. Yount was probably rushed (& likely could have benefitted from some time in the minors), but then again the standards & methods of evaluation were different then. Yount was regarded as an elite prospect (& from day one, no less), Escobar is not. The rules are different for guys like Yount. It's very important for us to keep that in mind when discussing Escobar imo. "In 1974, at the age of 18, he became the Brewers regular shortsop, thus becoming one of the youngest everyday players in history. In 1975 teammate Henry Aaron called him the best prospect in baseball." (link to source) That ('75) was Yount's age 19 season. Yount-Escobar is apples to oranges.
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Good. That was just silly. (imo)
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Honestly, Hardy and LaPorta might be the best scenario for the Brewers. JJ is red hot right now, so there's obviously a reason not to do this, but I don't think you could find one scout who would tell you to deal Escobar and keep Hardy. I don't like the inclusion of Hardy at all. I would not want to see a Counshall platoon at SS. Bill's defense there would drive me crazy, and I think some people are too quick to discount the value an average or above-avg. all-around SS brings. I agree that these rumors are flying hot & heavy... and it makes me question the validity. So far, we've heard the following names (I'll probably miss one or two): LaPorta Gamel Salome Escobar Hardy Green We're getting a little excited here, and I think the names we're hearing from 'sources' are speculation, probably based on who people felt the Indians were scouting -- I tend to think they'd 'cast a wide net' & just see who they liked, which could lead to a lot of speculation since they'd be scouting several players. I think the given seems to be LaPorta, and beyond that it really shouldn't take someone in the Hardy/Escobar/Gamel range to get a deal done. If that's the case, the Indians are seeking too much.
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The Brewers have been the worst in the National League in producing pitchers over the last 10 years. I just don't know about that. I'd be willing to bet we're not the worst. It just always feels that way as a fan. Pitching is hard to produce.
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Mongo like C.C. This is really getting me excited. Furthermore, I feel the United States of America deserves Sabathia-to-Milwaukee as a birthday present. It's the only patriotic thing to do. http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/7/3/iwantyoucc128596262016689536.jpg A guaranteed return of two high end prospects? Nothing is guaranteed. But two comp picks are certainly high-end picks, which is your best chance at high-end prospects. All Melvin can do is try to give the Brewers organization the best odds at success that he can. And if the choice is keeping LaPorta + another prospect, or adding Sabathia & two high draft picks, to me, the latter is a no-brainer.
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The thing is, even if Sabathia pitches well for us, it doesn't guarantee anything. No, but it definitely increases our odds, which is about all that Melvin can do. I doubt we see worse results from the pen for any one inning than it was today again this season. That was tragically bad. Don't forget that we'll recoup two high-end prospects that we control for just as long as anyone we give up. It's win-win imo. Add a legit #1 or #2 type SP by dealing two prospects, with a guaranteed return of two high-end prospects. Also, the point that it'd keep Sabathia from going elsewhere is very valid. Iirc Taylor could've drafted CC, and passed. Right the wrong!
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"We might not have to give up LaPorta or Gamel? Wahoo! Wait, that means Salome, damn. What, they're interested in someone else? Alright! Oh, Taylor Green, crap..." It's fun to have cool toys. I know exactly what you mean with this quote. Man, I'm getting pretty excited. I have a feeling this will be going down soon. Yeah... if this happens for the Crew, it's happening soon. Doug's comments are priceless.