DocLuna7

I can't stand Harper, but doing it right now to me would just reek of sour grapes and frustration because we're getting our butts kicked. Agreed. Lind is the one who deserves it at this pt.

Was that the dodgers game when green hit four home runs? Trying to remember

I'd say just about any other team, yes. But since Yost the Brewers pretty much let every team do whatever they want to them. I know many people are opposed to this but I am not. Lind should be sent a message today.

This has got to be one of the worst road trips (given that we were 5.5 games up in the division when it started) ever in the history of this franchise.

Yeah, unless we are planning on acquiring Sonny to put him in the bullpen I don't think that he makes us wild card champs either unfortunately. I hope to be proven wrong

I wish that I felt that Sonny Gray is all we needed to be a World Series champion.

Trusting in Stearns here lol.

FWIW CC has pretty much the same ERA

And ironically with the Yankees he would be their number three starter.

Not sure that we should want to though. Even that is a hefty price to pay for a number 3 starter. If he can stay healthy, there is almost zero doubt in my mind that by this time next year Gray will be considered a bonafide ACE throughout baseball. I'm not sure what "Number 3 Starters" finish in the Top 3 of voting for CY YOUNG AWARDS at a very young age. Yeah man. We get that you like Sonny Gray. We get it to the point that many people think you are trolling on these boards because you post about it numerous times per day and mock and condescend to people who don't value a short statured injury prone guy who had a 5 plus ERA last season as much as you do. And just because a guy won third place for the Cy Young Award a few years ago prior to an injury does not mean that he is the next Sandy Koufax or that we should give up the farm for him in 2017. As I have stated many times sure, Gray is fine in the right deal. I for one would rather either save our prospects or use them in a trade to acquire a better quality pitcher at some point in the off-season. You have indicated time and again that you would be willing to give up way more than I think most people would think proper for a guy with a lot of question marks. It's ok that you highly rate him and it's ok that a lot of posters here do not rate him nearly as highly. I think your condescension is getting old though.

Not sure that we should want to though. Even that is a hefty price to pay for a number 3 starter.

And Linebrink didn't win anything for us in '07 either.

Literally happened ten years ago today actually lol.

You can't have it both ways. Your initial post talks about how they're all hitting in the .230s and strike out a lot, now you say trade them when value is high. If they're so bad, how can their value be so high? Or maybe you think GMs look at BA prospect list when determining player value? With one or two of those guys, we're likely seeing their floor. One or two others, they may never improve much. Which ones are they? I'm sure the player development people have an idea, but simple answer is nobody knows for sure. So the risk is you trade away the guy that ends up being an All-Star. That's not to say you never trade top prospects, and I don't think anyone has said that. I think the point he makes is these guys still have value despite less than stellar results this season, but that value can disappear quickly as it did with the likes of Coulter when they don't produce in the minors over a couple of seasons. Even promising guys doing well at A ball are far from sure things. So is Brinson for that matter. If Brinson was a sure thing, he'd be in the big leagues right now patrolling CF for the Brewers. He's 23, an age where the top guys are big league contributors if not yet stars. See Arcia. Not to say Brinson won't be a huge contributor at the big league level fairly soon, but his value is undetermined at this point. Yes, and I don't even disagree with the premise. My point is that you still make smart trades with these guys if you are going to trade them (not just to make a deal) and that the emotion-based snarkiness is getting old from some on these boards.

I am all for trading prospects (any prospects) in SMART trades but this post seems to suggest that 1. Right now is the time when these guys will be most highly rated and we should sell them when we can. 2. There is someone of value on the trade market that is available now that is worth the investment of prospects 3. That we all appreciate sarcasm. I get that this is a team message board for a sport but the over the top anti-Stearns sarcasm is getting very old to me. Guessing this is just sour grapes because of the reports that we aren't in on Sonny Gray anymore but we have no idea who Stearns may or may not be talking to at this point. I for one am glad to save our prospects for either or own team or in trades where we are targeting a guy way better than Sonny Gray and if Oakland demanded too much I am glad we walked away.

Thank goodness. The thought of trading away the farm for Gray makes me cringe. X2 Hoping Rosenthal is right. X3

With all due respect, why are you on this site?

Gray is not a rental. He would be acquired NOT just to help the team that happens to be in contention this year, but for the next two years as well. If you read the first page of this thread, it outlines a plan for the Brewers to use their prospect depth to acquire Gray for the next calendar year or two and then trade him for a high-end pitching prospect. Since prospect for prospect trades simply don't happen, it's a workaround to turn our prospect OF depth into future pitching prospects, while "renting" Sonny Gray as a bonus for up to 2 years. Why would anyone give us a top pitching prospect for a third starter with less years under team control in a few years? Seems like some of you guys really want to buy high on Sonny because he's put together six good weeks after a seasons worth of bad starts?

Or a great plan when he continues to pitch like he has of the course of most of his career and then Hader sticks in the bullpen and Woodruff pulls a Peralta and gets DFAd in four years. We can all make assumptions as to what is going to happen but the fact is none of us know. Gray could very well spend most of the next two seasons hurt. He could also spend the next two seasons pitching like he did in 2015 and receive Cy Young votes. I just don't understand this reliance people want to have on our pitching prospects. Hasn't history taught you anything? The liklihod that they all reach their potential is almost nil. I think some of you that are pro trading for Sonny Gray are just assuming that people are overrating our prospects or banking on our current pitchers or pitching prospects to pan out. I am not. I am saying that Gray specifically isn't worth targeting with some of our guys given his injury history, his current status of being overvalued on the trade market, and that I do not believe that he will ever be more than a number three.

Or you could use surplus outfielders to trade for a starting pitcher who doesn't have the injury history of Sonny Gray this off-season instead of rushing into an I'll-conceived rushed deal now.

I am expecting a few bullpen additions but will be shocked if we go out and acquire a front-end starter or major name at this point.

Memorial service for his mom. Got it. Thanks!

Where is Bill Schroeder tonight?

That being said if you DFA him that ten day window to trade him will cover the trade deadline anyways.

I think they were "sweep suits". The crew got a little cocky after a sweep and baseball karma kicked them in the backsides. Yeah, my bad. That was a typo.