Alright, I get what you're saying, and I see how my comments could be construed as "standard", regarding comic movies. To put it another way, I'm thinking more along the line of "standard" comics, the DC and Marvel news-rack stuff that we pick up on a monthly basis. Most of which are based on people and characters with supernatural or extraordinary powers and abilities that we mere mortals can't comprehend. The first Batman series of movies definately went along those lines, and while not strictly supernatural (Mr. Freeze? Please......), it was so far out in left field (especially by the end) that it was much more Fun House than Crime Drama. There was nothing engrossing or intelligent about it, there was no "problem solving" and you never felt like there was true danger to the characters, because they were built to such extremes that it was tough for a person to feel any attachment to them. With the new Batman series, while the characters are still somewhat over the top, they've been much more "humanized", and therefore a person can maybe empathize with them a little bit. That's not to say that I feel that characters with extraordinary abilities can't be compelling, deep, intelligent and thought provoking. I've been at times, even recently, an avid comic and graphic novel reader. I have 2 shelves dedicated to Alien(s) graphic novels and comics. It's just my opinion of course, but I feel that most movies made on *standard* comic fare in the past relied more on action sequences and big explosions to tell the story rather than let the story tell the story. It seems to me that in the past decade or so (Daredevil and Elektra notwithstanding) that most movie makers have figured out that comic book movie watchers DO want to see the full spectrum of these charcters, rather than just how good they put up in an action sequence. And in my humble opinion, The Dark Knight did it better than most. That's all I was trying to get across. I don't know, maybe my standards were just set too low by the original 4 Batman films.