Some thoughts from watching this thread unfold; 1- I want to also echo that I really appreciate the insight thebruce44 is bringing to the conversation. Accusing him of bias and that he has no place in the conversation is unfounded. As far as I'm aware, he's the only one in this thread who has any life experience related to these issues, he's obviously going to have a better understanding of issues then we do, that's not bias. Unfortunately, as he's experiencing, we're all experts on the internet. 2- There seems to be a lot of double speak about the jobs creation issue and I don't think anyone is stating it correctly or clearly, but more how they prefer to view it. What Obama has said about the stimulus and jobs creation is that the stimulus is ultimately about putting people to work in the present, to build the infrastructure we need into the future when the economy is back on it's feet. So yes, it's about jobs for the next few years of construction, but not about people having these jobs forever, and in having these jobs, we begin developing the technologies our future needs. So it's not fair to attack this first that it will create to many jobs (as was done earlier in the thread), and then that it won't create enough long term (as is being done now). If you'll recall the stimulus was initially attacked because these construction jobs weren't "careers". 3- I don't understand why people are coming up with these scenarios about today, and examples about if I have this many people in a car, why would I take the train, etc., and then using that as a defeat against the rail line. It doesn't make sense. This isn't meant to outright replace how we transport ourselves (if it was, it would have to be far larger than it's going to be), it's meant as a supplement. And yes, this is a change in our way of lives into the future, so comparing it to how we do things today isn't going to mesh up perfectly, and it will be met with resistance. But at some point we are going to need alternative methods of transportation, and an efficient rail line makes sense. If you don't believe/care about the environmental issues, that's fine, because on a logistical standpoint, we can't just keep putting everyone into more cars and putting those onto the roadways, we simply won't have the space for all of these cars as our living areas continue to populate. 4- The repeated questions that center around, "here's what I like about cars, why would anyone ever want something different?" as justification for it being a failure. The fact of the matter is there are people who are willing to trade one convenience for another. It won't likely be a majority of the populace at first, or even for a very long time, but that doesn't mean there won't be enough people to make the idea worthwhile either.