My beef with letting Hall bat in the 8th with one out and runners on the corners was because it just delayed the inevitable. Why not PH Jenkins, then switch to a RH batter before Hall K's? Why wait until there are two outs to force Tracy's hand. Bill Hall should not have hit in that position, and just might be on his way to a career platoon type player. Although, he even looked awful against a lefty yesterday. Ned never forces the hand of the opposing manager, which is why he is out-managed almost on a daily basis. If Ned's players don't execute the way he foresees them to, it's game over. The only right handed batters left were Estrada and Rivera. Which when you are trying to avoid the GIDP are the last two guys you want hitting. Yes, however, if you PH Jenkins for Hall, then the Pirates bring in Grabow, which Ned let Jenks face anyway. Then the next batter you bring in someone else (Estrada, Rivera, whatever), and you don't have to worry about a GIDP, because Jenks already made the second out. I think sheethead makes a great point. If Jenks is going to face Grabow anyway, he should have PH for Hall, not the pitcher. See, I'm assuming rational actors here. Allowing Jenkins to face Grabow is just stupid, and even there Jenkins/Gross increases you GIDP chance (see the ball Jenkins did hit off Grabow). If you're pulling Hall and Grabow comes in you should pull Jenkins and get to Estrada. Now you have to pinch hit Gross 9th and your bench is down to Stockman, Gwynn, and Nix in a tie game in the 8th. Again its not a slam dunk to pull Hall when doing so burns 4 players. Now Jenkins vs Grabow with the bases load is another matter....