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  1. Never Outhustled
    Jungman has improved infinately more than Bradley. Jungman didn't give up less than half as many runs as Bradly last year, but this year he did. Jungman dominated college baseball this year, Bradley was simply pedestrian. They don't even compare. I didn't read up on this draft at all so i'm coming into this blind, but if Bradley has such pedestrian abilities, why did so many people and sites that follow the MLB draft closely predict Bradley to go in the top 10? There's early busts that the draftniks like every year. bradley profiles like many of them.
  2. Never Outhustled
    Jungman has improved infinately more than Bradley. Jungman didn't give up less than half as many runs as Bradly last year, but this year he did. Jungman dominated college baseball this year, Bradley was simply pedestrian. They don't even compare.
  3. Never Outhustled
    Sure, but what if the guy who begged for Braun hates a pick? Bradley is Jimmy Nelson 2.0
  4. Never Outhustled
    I despise the Bradley selection. He gave up more than twice as many runs as Jungman this year. Considering HR's are down almost 50%, Bradley sucked, and has mediocre stuff. The Brewers are clueless about pitching.
  5. Never Outhustled
    The Brewers have at least saved money. Bradley shouldn't even get slot.
  6. Never Outhustled
    I'll be surprised if he ever makes the majors. Maybe as a LOOGY. If you curve his stats for the new bats, he was nothing. The Brewers are still clueless about pitching.
  7. Never Outhustled
    Bradley sucked this year. Awful selection. Another Jimmy Nelson.
  8. Never Outhustled
    I'm not excited for Mahtook, but I also don't want to gamble on pitching twice. Cron please.
  9. Never Outhustled
    I really want Cron at 15. I'm not sure if I'd mess with Jungman's delivery, but if they lengthened his short stride he'd add 2-3 MPH. Lengthening a stride isn't as risky as other changes.
  10. Never Outhustled
    I liked Jungman, but it's obvious he had a deadarm when he pitched yesterday. Hope he isn't hurt.
  11. Never Outhustled
    This sucks. Now we're almost cornered into gambling on pitching. I really wanted Baez.
  12. Never Outhustled
    Great question. I'll say to the Cubs.
  13. Never Outhustled
    If we would have had another power hitter in the system, maybe we could have been the team to get Garza from Minnesota. If we had more position players, maybe we deal Fielder for young pitching. Not every deal will be like the last 2.
  14. Never Outhustled
    I'm concerned that the so-called great college pitching this year is overrated. We see again and again in the scouting reports for college position players the statement "his numbers are down, but so is every else's because of the new bats", yet we never see any attempts to curve the pitchers production. If HR's are down almost 50% because of the bats, isn't the pitcher dominance a bit of a mirage? Gerrit Cole is the likely #1 pick, yet his ERA would likely be over 4 with the old bats. That's not good. These pitchers need to be held to a higher standard than before, but I don't see that happening. Other than Bauer and Hultzen, I think this group is overrated. I hope the Brewers avoid them.
  15. Never Outhustled
    I completely agree. I've argued for years that The Brewers would be better off picking power bats and then later on trade for pitching. The opposition argued this couldn't be done, but now I have proof that it can be. The Brewers now have a great staff with a few offseason trades. Now imagine where we'd be if the Brewers had drafted 4 more position players instead of the 4 1st round pitchers they've drafted (Jones, Rogers, Jeffress, Arnett. Jeffress was a trade chip, but I doubt a major piece. I'm not including the Covey pick since he didn't sign and we still have the pick). Stick to what we excell at, let other teams gamble on developing pitching. There will always be a team in need of a power hitter that will give up pitching. Make it Baez and Cron for me.
  16. Never Outhustled
    Why are you OK with the strikeout ability Jed Bradley and Sonny Gray but not Jungman? They all have the same K rate. The only difference is Jungman has been more effective than Gray and significantly more effective than Bradley. What does Bradley have that gives him any kind of ceiling?
  17. Never Outhustled
    Can't miss hitters? Most here wanted Cam Maybin instead of Braun, but Z got it right. Melvin admitted he wouldn't have let Z select Fielder if he'd been here. Z made great picks on both occaisions. Without them we'd have nothing.Sure Melvin push for a pitcher in round 2 of 2004, but it wasn't like Melvin identified Yo himself. Melvin also pushed for Gwynn Jr., a wasted pick. Don't forget Z drafted trade chips like LaPorta, Jeffress, and Ordorizi, among others.
  18. Never Outhustled
    Thanks. That really puts me at ease. As someone who begged for both Braun and Lawrie, I'm surprised I hadn't shown more interest in Baez before. So Patrick, if you were pulling the trigger for the Brewers at 12, would Baez be your guy, and would you recommend him to the staff as a SS or 3B?
  19. Never Outhustled
    The Brewers should draft high ceiling players for both the picks. They should refraining from "counterbalancing" with higher floor players such as Jungmann. Their farm system is in such a bad shape right now, that drafting high-floor players with limited upside would be just counterproductive (I'm assuming that you're talking about high-floor, limited ceiling guys?). However, if you're talking about high-floor, high-ceiling guys, then maybe they should, but I'm gonna cringe a little if they do. So your saying they should gamble more because their system is poor? I think gambling is a luxory for the rich. And no, I'm not saying low ceiling guys, I've argued repeatedly that Cron and Jungman have high ceilings, though not as high as possibly Baez.
  20. Never Outhustled
    Very interesting to hear of the Brewers interest in Baez. He certainly has awesome tools. He also comes with some concerns. There is some family issues. He has an explosive personality. That doesn't work for many players, though it works fine for Fielder. Baez has awesome HS numbers, and is great in batting practice, but can anyone answer how good he was on the showcase circuit against top pitching? Is he as raw as the guy Philly took in round 1 in 2008, Anthony Hewitt? The Brewers were connected to him that year. He too was a SS with great bat speed. Now he's an OF, and is mediocre in A ball. Luckily Lawrie fell to the Brewers, or we might be stuck with Hewitt. If the Brewers draft Baez, should they let him play off SS, or should they move him right to 3B? I say 3B right away, or we'll have another bad defender. IMO, 3B requires more years of experience than other other position besides catcher. Baez could be a great defensive 3B if he starts there in rookie ball, but he'll have a tough transformation if it happens in AA. If the Brewers pick the huge ceiling/low floor Baez, should they counterbalance that with a higher floor player like Jungman ( if somehow available) or Cron?
  21. Never Outhustled
    Good stuff here. I thought there look at Michael was even more damning. I didn't like him even before this. He simply isn't a good hitter. I agree with what you said in another post, that he's the least exciting pick the Brewers could make. I also agree with you and YoungGeezy that Mahtook doesn't interest me. If we're taking a defensive position limited player, we should take the best hitter, which is Cron. I have to take issue with their assessment of Jungman. They project as a 4/5 starter because of his K rate, yet they don't mention Gerrit Cole's K rate at all in his assessment. Those 2, along with Matt Barnes and Sonny Gray, all have the same K rate. Plus, Jungman proved he could K at a higher rate last year. Now he's just so dominant he's getting batters out too quickly to get huge K totals. Jungman's K rate is quite good for a pitcher with an extreme groundball rate.
  22. Never Outhustled
    Good thing we're picking 12th then instead of in the teens. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif Pitchers drafted in this range in recent years include Tim Lincecom, Mike Leake, and Mike Minor. Not sure how you call Lincecom low ceiling. All 3 of those pitchers were under-drafted while teams ignored there production. I'm guessing it's the same scouts who called those pitchers low ceiling that are calling Jungman a #3. Jungman has #1 upside. There's more to an ace than throwing 98. Command matters too. In a draft loaded with college pitching, it's easy to believe the Brewers can get a top pitcher with the 12th pick. Obviously I'm not talking about doing this through the whole draft, only when the polished colligiate players are dominant players that are the best available. Rounds 2 and 3 could be HS talent if the the best available. Also, The Brewers could use the money they save at 12 ands 15 to draft and sign a Brooks Hall or Scooter Gennet type later in the draft, or actually sign a Kyle Winkler type that they drafted but didn't sign in the past. True, not to mention that he will be 27 next year. He's only a couple years away from be past his prime years.
  23. Never Outhustled
    Both would be great selections. Picking polished, proven players with long track records of success has worked in the past for the Brewers. Both players were good as freshman, have made impressive improvements each year, and have been absolutely dominant this year. The Brewers failures came when they picked unpolished hard-throwing HS pitchers, or college players without long track records. I don't see how Cron could be considered to have a low ceiling. He was simply far and away the best hitter in college baseball this year, he not only has terrific power, (80 raw power), but is also an outstanding pure hitter with very good bat control. He has way more flexibility in his swing than LaPorta. LaPorta is 12th in the majors in 1B OPS. Cron is also the son of a former major leaguer who is now a coach. He'll adjust easily to pro ball. I also think it's silly for a couple of scouts to say he might not be able to play 1B. He started at catcher in college for 2 years. He's 6'4". I guarantee he'll be a better defensive 1B than the 5'10" extremely over-weight kid with stiff hands and poor fundamentals that played 1B for the Brewers the last several years.
  24. Never Outhustled
    Research strongly suggests that impact talent is no more common from the HS ranks than the college ranks. The HS versus college debate is old news, the 2 venues of aquiring talent are surprisingly equal in their results. 1 huge factor in so many player busts are make-up and character. Yet so many here are completely ignoring those factors while falling in love with Baez and Guierreri. Too many good players available at 12 and 15 to take risks like that. Even from a baseball only stance, Guierreri has a lot of similarities to Phillip Aumont. We can do better than Aumont. I loved Gray out of HS, and still do. I'd love to add him now. Sure, he's short, just like Lincecome or Thornburg. He's most similar to Ben Sheets, but with dedication to stay in top physical condition. I still think we need to consider CJ Cron at 15. Research shows that far and away the most productive picks are slugging college 1Bs. The gap between Cron's production and everyone else this year is massive. Why wouldn't we want a big time bat at 1B? He's the safest pick in the draft, and he still carries a ceiling of occasional All-Star. That's an awesome get at 15. The best thing the Brewers ever do in the draft is pick sluggers. In all, we need high quality prospects, regardless of position. Picking for need is a luxory only teams with strong systems can afford. At some point in the future the Brewers will likely trade for a SS. We need to get some talent in the system to do that.
  25. Never Outhustled
    Before the postponement, the Hunstesville lineup featured Hunter Morris at 3B. That's intriguing.
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