Iirc you were posting that Gomez had some hidden growth last season, too. Can't remember why you cited that it was hidden then... LD% maybe? Improved BB%, improved K%, improved pitch recognition. There were certainly reasons to hope he was improving as a hitter even if it wasn't showing up in his results yet. It is hard to know how much of it is real with only one partial year of data though. Where gomez has really struggled this year is in infield hits, he used to be one of the best in the league at getting IFH and this year he has been about average with it. Don't know if it is bad luck this year or he is losing speed or what. With Gwynn it is very different, this isn't hope of improving, he has actually improved by quite a bit the past couple of years. This year you just aren't seeing it because of a lot of bad luck in BABIP. Gwynn had a .350 OBP last year and his BB rate has increased again this year as has his ISO. The difference is a .245 BABIP compared to a career .291. Gwynn's is also a 2 year trend now. Gwynn is nothing special at all but he seems capable of holding close to a .350 OBP in the long term at least.