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It's inevitable he's gone for this reason. Doug Melvin and RR made a really good decision to keep trotting Axford out there and to make him an 8th inning guy instead of a 9th inning closer. However, I believe it was all planned to increase his trade value for the inevitable departure.

Just so you guys know I'm not down on Morris. I just think he's at least a year or two away from making an impact at the MLB level. We need someone to fill the time gap.

I guess they wanted it more. This team doesn't make any sense and trades need to happen soon. Very soon.

Poor quality? Except for those 2 guys in AAA? Or Jason Rogers at AA? I'm going to jump out on a limb here and say that you really don't follow the minor league system at all? Jason has had a terrible June, but I think his true talent as a hitter lies between his April and May numbers. [pre]Split G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS April 25 108 104 15 29 7 2 2 18 3 16 .279 .296 .442 .739 May 28 112 103 15 29 7 0 8 25 6 20 .282 .321 .583 .904 June 22 89 78 4 9 2 0 0 7 10 15 .115 .213 .141 .355[/pre] Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table Generated 6/27/2013. As an organization we have plenty of OF and 1B depth, but we are thin basically everywhere else. Unless by poor quality you mean we don't have a Prince Fielder who's going to hit 50 HRs in his best season to which I would respond, "How many teams do?". BA or someone else I regularly read did an article earlier this summer on the lack of impact 1B prospects around baseball. It's very late or I would take 20 minutes going to find it. Maybe I'll do that tomorrow. I know exactly what I'm talking about. I'd bet that if Halton and Morris struggle for the rest of the season, the Brewers will either sign Hart for 1-2 years or look to FA.

Espn says we are averaging 31,000 a game and on the MLB.com box score it says that 28,000 attended the game tonight. I don't think that's actually people that showed up, but I can't help but notice that there have been a good amount of fans at the games during the week (none weekend) considering the teams current position. I would think there would be less people showing up. I'm aware that we are playing the Cubs. I'm talking in general. What do you guys see attendance wise at the games? Do you think once the Brewers sell some at the deadline there will be a decrease in fans that show up or increase? Why do you show up to these games knowing what we know about this team and it's current position? Brewers fans knowing how exciting it is to watch, Braun, Gomez, Segura, and Lucroy (youngsters) lately at the games, because of this they seem more willing to show up, but do you think that will translate to them wanting to purchase tickets next season due to this, or do you see a dramatic drop in ticket sales next year? How could the trade deadline affect this if any effect at all? Is there something that you want to happen before you attend a game? It can get pretty brutal to watch a last place team in person. Sorry for all the questions, but I'm curious on the mentality of Brewers fans right now and what affect it's having or could have on future purchases at Miller Park.

Considering the poor quality o the Brewers minor league depth at 1B, and the fact that I don't see it changing in the next 1-2 years. I'd offer Hart a 1 year deal with a vesting option based on PA. It will make the team better and that means more tickets sold.

I've done some thinking about trading Gomez, and I will without question pass. We have one of the best hitters in the game in Braun in LF, we have an above average CF in Gomez in one of the most premium positions in the game, we have a potential superstar at SS in Segura, which is the most premium position on the field, and we have a decent to above average Catcher in Lucroy. I say trade everybody else except those players and try like heck to get the pitching you need even if you have to wait 2-3 years to develop it. I'm in total favor of trading Gallardo. Eat 20-30 million in a season if you have too by trading Ramirez/Lohse.

theBruce44, A couple things, We disagree on Segura's projection for one. That's pretty huge. I've seen nothing that suggests in the near future that Segura can't repeat what he's currently doing. He hit's practically everything, which is explained by his 100+ hits already. When he starts putting more power on those hits they will turn into more doubles, triples, and HR's. I think it's a matter of when, not if. That comment about taking the SS every time when talking elite players like we have to choose from here I'd likely take the SS every time. It's pretty close call however between Segura and the CF's. Stache's first sentence in his original post says This is very much part of the hypothetical discussion. Like I said, it's a obvious choice considering who we have in CF right now.

About time.

I would take the SS every time. That's makes no sense. Its not like CF isn't a premium defensive position. It makes plenty of sense if you don't cut out the rest of what I said. You do a disservice to this argument and board when you do that. SS is the most premium position on the field, and CF is a close second. This is just the beginning what we are seeing with Segura. He's still developing. The power will increase even more which will further improve his stats. Also, considering who the Brewers have in CF already, Segura is the obvious option of who we should want out of any of those options.

Exactly. It's not a slam dunk like people are saying. I would take the SS every time. I also think Segura is going to show more power than he's showing right now and this is only the beginning.

I just watched all of his video's on youtube and had a blast. Good times, good times..

I heard he has been getting more ground balls, which I suspect is why he's been able to limit the damage of the walks, and that he throws very hard. It will be interesting to see if that's the case. Bottom line is, though, he needs to lower those walk totals. Should he do that I think his strike outs will increase, and he will be a very effective MLB pitcher. Time will tell.

Why does it have to be Vs Pitt! Those games are always blackout in my area. I'm happy, but not happy that I can't watch it.

What is Ramirez's value currently with a bad leg. Isn't he playing injured?

This sounds VERY familiar.

Took them long enough. Thought the day would never come.

That's encouraging, but not really surprising. Like I said the Brewers would need as close to a top sure thing as we can get. Or multiple ones.

That's true, Thecrew. However, I view SS as the most premium position on the field.

Gomez has a left shoulder sprain and he shouldn't really be out long, because nothing is broken. According to Tom H. Schafer will likely start till he gets back.

This is the correct answer. Segura may not be as good as Ryan Braun, but he is equally as valuable at this point due to how cheap he is going to be and how long we have him under control. No number of unproven prospects would make me want to part with him. He is proven and he's going to be very good the next six years. You do realize that Braun's best major league season doesn't even approach Trout's rookie season? That Trout is no a rookie? He is not a prospect? That he's a once in a generation type player who has a 4.2 WAR and is YOUNGER than Segura? And Segura might not be as good as Ryan Braun. He might be as good as Ryan Braun. I don't know. But I do know that based on what Mike Trout has shown thus far, he IS better than Braun AND Segura and younger than both. So while I love the kid, he's not "proven." Posting a 10.4 WAR as a 21 year old rookie and coming back after struggling and leading the league again the next year in WAR is a lot more "proven," than 70-some games of Segura. I don't want to be put in a position to argue against Segura here because it's just incredible to hit on a player like we did with Segura, but saying you wouldn't trade him for Trout, "or any number of unproven prospects," is silly. What if the Pirates came and offered us Cole, Tallion, Marte, and Josh Bell? Obviously that's a ridiculous suggestion as the Pirates would NEVER make such an asinine trade, but just blindly saying, "you can't trade a guy 3 months into his first true big league career for prospects because they're unproven," is absurd. Trout doesn't play the most premium position on the field which happens to be SS. Don't overlook something that important. Considering what we have in Gomez in CF it's even more logical to rather have Segura instead of anybody else, trout included. I view Segura greater than I view Trout. Segura also has the speed edge.

You are assuming HiAndTight, that I meant all of what I said as fact when I clearly said it was my opinion. Let's recap my opinions, I'm assuming that the Brewers offered Segura 30 million or much less for a long term deal. I believed 40 million would have gotten him signed. He wasn't signed, so I suspect the offer wasn't big enough to entice Segura and his agent to sign it. There's space here to assume that the Brewers thought they could get a steal by offering anywhere from 15-30 million for greater than 5 years. Using the Escobar deal as a comparison. I do believe that Segura will do better than Castro's first 2 seasons and therefore will eclipse his 60 million contact. That's pretty logical to assume. Waiting and being patient will costs lots of money. His agent could have very well said let's wait and talk about extension after next season. If that's the case then the Brewers potentially really messed up. I did say extremely early this season on this site to extend Segura long term. It's not up for debate. I even wondered if he could be had for an escobar type contract, but then backed off of that after a couple weeks into the season when I realized he was potentially much better than Escobar, then switched to 40 million. I'm extremely skeptical in how the Brewers handled this, because I believe he could have been signed, but see he wasn't. Now knowing what he's likely going to command in a long term deal after the season he's having, this could potentially be viewed as a big mistake by the Brewers.

If true then it's a smart risky move by his agent. The Brewers have to take a risk and ''overpay'' for Segura now before his play is ''worth'' $70 million to $100 million. The Brewers took a risk on Braun and it paid off. The team has the best player in the game signed for well below market value. If Segura is going to be as good as I think he will be, he's going to ask for big time money soon. Take a gamble while he's still affordable and lock him up. If you have to give him 60 to 70 million than so be it. Those are the kind of moves a small market team has to make to keep their young talented players. It was an extremely smart move by his agent. Segura made a good hire. I agree that Segura's asking price is just going up and up right now. I think it's at 60 million right now. Castro money, and should this drag on longer than this season, and should Segura have another good year next season he will surpass the deal Castro got, and then some. Get it done ASAP if his agent is willing to talk. Hopefully they didn't lose that opportunity.

"Lowballed?" It's tough to "lowball," a guy who's played a couple weeks in the big leagues if you are indeed correct and it was a couple months ago. I thought it was about a month ago. There have been two players signed to contracts before one year of service time, Longoria and then Perez I believe from KC. Braun was 1.001.... I remember suggesting a Segura extension about two months ago before it had come up on here and everyone thought it was crazy and there were of course the obvious, "small sample size," comments. That said, I don't know where you're getting the part that I put in bold. There is just absolutely no basis for that. Again, we're not yet 3 months into the season. While I wanted the Brewers to lock him up long term 2 months ago, you were suggesting they do so after a couple weeks in the majors in which he was playing well at the age of 23. So where do you get this notion that the BREWERS are the ones who should be expected to "overpay?" That's just ridiculous IMO. Segura could be having a career year. I don't know, maybe he gets better. He could get hurt. He could add weight and end up as a second basemen. Of the two sides that's going to give here it's GOING to be Segura's side. That's kinda the point. He signs for 8 years and 40 million and never has to worry about money again and then still has a chance for the big time payday. Also, when you "guess," it was for 30 million...for what period of time? I just don't see how you possibly come out of this and try to assign ANY blame whatsoever to the Brewers for lowballing anyone or waiting too long. It's ridiculous. And again, I started a thread about this very topic in April so I agree they should have signed him. But the other side has to be willing to sign it, and the last thing Segura's agent said was they were trying to determine his value. Yes, lowballed. I said before we even knew what we had in Segura that a long term extension in the 40+ million range would be sufficient and might get it done should his agent decide "not" to wait. What's funny is that the Brewers also knew what they had in Segura and was basically reading my mind. The question is was there offer high enough? I have my doubts. By the way to answer your "overpay" question, it's really simple. When you offer a player who plays a premium position a long term deal with hardly any service time (pre-arby), you better be serious about it. No matter what, technically it will be considered an overpay, because of how little service time he has and compared to money committed, but a talent like Segura which I knew from his first AB how good he truly was, you better make the offer so good he doesn't want to even think about it. That didn't happen. I'm skeptical in how the Brewers handled this, and I believe if there offer was serious he would be signed right now. That's my opinion and nothing more.

Vegas, The Brewers approached Segura with an extension months ago and his agent decided to wait, which was a smart move. I have my doubts on the offer that was made that it was big enough. Something tells me it was lowballed in the 30 million range or possibly much less. When you offer a contract extension to a SS who you know is going to be really good this early in his career, you got to be serious in your offer and make a decision to over pay some, and hope to be surprised in the production later. Now the Brewers if they approach Segura's agent with an extension again, it will likely be in the 60 million range.