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How about a mega super-duper stupendous blockbuster deal of: Brewers get: Shields & Garza Rays get: Axford, Jeffress, McGehee & Gomez Yes please! -
Absolutely I would make this deal. I believe we have a closer in waiting already on the Major League roster in Braddock. As much as losing Axford would pain me because I love his makeup/attitude, I need to only look at the implosion of Derrick Turnbow as evidence as to the fragility of closers. Besides, we went to the playoffs in 2008 with Salomon Torres as our closer. If it were to come out that trading Axford held up a Shields/Garza deal and they end up a Cub or Ranger because of this, I will be extremely mad. EDIT: Additionally, an Axford deal for Shields/Garza in the rotation gives the Brewers the option of allowing Jeffress to develop as the future closer in the event Braddock fails. Doesn't rule Jeffress out as a SP, but Shields/Garza allows flexibility with Jeffress they don't currently have.
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My obliviousness to this makes me laugh even harder! I can now make out the Indians and Brewers uniform.
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Despite the latest on this topic being about Fielder's weight loss, I find it ironic that Invader posted them and how much the picture of Fielder reminded me of the middle guy in Invader's avatar. Cartoon version of Prince? http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/laugh.gif
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Great point Invader. I'd much rather have Cappy as the recovering injury dude than Rich Harden. Cappy actually pitched well down the stretch whereas Harden was brutal in 2010.
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Molitor, Yount & Cirillo
Warning Track Power replied to Warning Track Power's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
One of the worst trades in Brewer history. I never could understand why Taylor dumped Cirillo for financial reasons, then goes out and signs Jose K to a three year deal for fairly big money. Taylor made a few other horrible trades largely driven by salary, and he was a horribly inept judge of major league talent. The Burnitz/D'Amico, etc. for Rusch/Ochoa, etc. was an absolute joke, if for no other reason than the fact that Rusch was one of the all time worst Brewers starting pitchers prior to Soup. Another idiotic move was dumping Vina for a brutal middle reliever in order to make room for the future stud 'Belly' at second. No wonder why I'm so gunshy about trading our homegrown guys.... Not restarting the argument but I felt this way when JJ was demoted and Escobar was brought up. Felt all too familiar. At least JJ wasn't traded to help a division rival like Vina was. Stupid move. -
That would be ludicrous. The Phillies are looking to shed salary. Right now, including Blanton, the Phillies have $76 million committed to their rotation in 2011. They have minimum wage Domonic Brown who was the 15th highest ranked prospect in baseball to replace Werth. They wouldn't want Hart who has more remaining on his contract than Blanton. I can't see the Brewers doing that either. Phillies might offer Blanton and Ibanez for Hart. But I don't see the Brewers going that short term. I'm sure Philly wants something back for Blanton, but something that isn't going to add to their payroll right now. They could use a guy that could occasionally platoon with Brown. I'm not sure Carlos Gomez fits that description, but he'd have value to them as defensive replacement for Ibanez too. This offer would be ludicrous as well. What incentive would the Brewers have to accept anything like this.
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Absolutely agree. See the 2011 KC Royals. Melky and Francoeur may just be biding time for their prospects but Rick Ankiel was signed last year as well to be that stopgap. Seems to be a yearly cycle for them.
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Without doing all the research I would do Gomez and Jeffress for Beachy. While its obvious why I would be down on Gomez, I truly fear Jeffress will have another marijuana recurrence and we will lose him forever(?) as a prospect. I just don't trust guys who already know they are being tested in a drug program and relapse. May be harsh and stupid to deal his talent but I offer him for the equivalent Beachy only because the ATL assumes the drug risk.
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So what we are looking at one of these three options right now? Option #1: Gallardo, Marcum, Wolf, Blanton, Pavano Option #2: Gallardo, Marcum, Wolf, Pavano, Narveson Option #3: Gallardo, Marcum, Wolf, Blanton, Narveson I just don't think that a rotation comprised of any of these makes us anything more than a .500 team and keeps us at the same levels we have been at since the 2009 season. The Reds, Cardinals and Cubs STILL would have a better rotation than us in our own division and those three arguably have the equivalent everyday lineup we do. If we are content to keep the status quo to preserve prospects, ok. But let's not fool ourselves into believing that (barring career years from every pitcher) rotation will get us to 90 wins and contending.
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Cliff Lee agrees to deal with Phillies
Warning Track Power replied to trwi7's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Haha! Listening to ESPN New York 1050 and the Michael Kay Show (Yankees YES Announcer) and you should hear all these guys thinking that all of a sudden the Mariners are going to trade them King Felix for a bucket of balls. Phil Hughes and Montero are untouchable, but a package headlined by some mediocre A ball players will do it. I hope we aren't so blinded by our own prospects and MLB players. -
Molitor, Yount & Cirillo
Warning Track Power replied to Warning Track Power's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
I didn't mean to imply he was even close to being on par with Yount and Molitor, 2 no doubt HOFers. I just wanted to make mention that he could have been much more special to this organization than he currently is if Dean Taylor hadn't decided we needed the all-star trio of Jimmy Haynes, Jamey Wright and Henry Blanco. He ended at 1600 hits and if he had stayed in MKE I would have imagined him to have added 400+ more which would have made him a Brewer legend instead of another guy. -
Although Braun's, Gallardo's and Hart's extensions all came out of nowhere, I'm starting to get a little concerned with the lack of news on this front. I was hoping this would be done almost concurrently with Lawrie's trade.
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Since the Yankees have now struck out on Lee and Crawford, anyone thinking they may want to make a splash and add Fielder's bat to DH and counter the Gonzalez deal? Don't know their minor league pitching situation but would a deal of Gardner, Joba, something else be worth investigating for the Brewers? The Yanks hold onto Montero for a trade for a SP like Greinke. I love Gardner and seeing him CF wouldn't be bad and would give us a leadoff hitter. Trade Cain in a deal for Garza/Shields and we could look like: CF Gardner RF Hart 2B Weeks LF Braun 3B McGehee 1B Gamel C Lucroy SS Escobar SP: Gallardo, Garza/Shields, Marcum, Wolf, Narveson
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Not too sure what they have in terms of shortstop and centerfield talent in the minors, but to me the Yankees are becoming the likely suitor for Greinke despite his past mental hurdles. Signing Russell Martin blocks Cervelli and Montero and they still have Posada. It looks to me that they are positioning themselves to move Cervelli or the more coveted Montero. I'm guessing a package of Montero and Brett Gardner as the headliners may get KC going.
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Snooping around Baseball Reference today and thought I would look at the careers of the three and it is truly amazing how similar these guys were in average yearly production. Based on 162 games played, both players would average: Molitor .306, 14 HR, 79 RBI, 66BB, 75K Yount .285, 14 HR, 80 RBI, 55BB, 77K Cirillo .296, 11 HR, 73 RBI, 56BB, 70K So why do I bring this up? Well I was born in the early 80s so I only remember Yount and Molitor at the end of their careers and not in their prime. I grew up with Cirillo, who I considered to be the Yount/Molitor of the 90s Brewers, and was so mad when they dealt him. I truly feel had he stayed with the Brewers, he would have been one of the all time greats of the franchise instead of just a guy we remember for a 4 year flash in the 90s and a 2 year stint at the end of his career. While maybe not a HOF, he was definitely on the path to being one of the best in Brewers history until we dealt him. Just giving a little love to Cirillo...
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Contract Year Performance
Warning Track Power replied to Hofbraunhaus's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
I think if your statements are turned around, your point of view is proved false. If I were to say Player A relaxes for a few season after hitting a big contract and then in his next contract year, doesn't "relax" and truly puts forth more effort in cage sessions, weight room, film, developing a new pitch, etc... in order to justify a new big contract. That is pretty much the premise of a contract year performance. Whether or not players actually do that, well, I don't know their personal training habits but I buy into this theory. -
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I am ready for another window of competing. I think with that pitching staff (Gallardo, Garza, Marcum, Wolf, #5) we are legitimate contenders for probably the next 5 seasons. I assume contract extensions with Garza and Marcum because it makes too much sense to me. Sign Marcum to a 3 year extension and buy out Garza's first two years of FA and there's 2011-2015 Top 3 SP resigned. Easier said than done obviously but the offseason is made for dreaming.
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3 things: #1. I'm not an Escobar guy either. I would have zero problem including him in any deal but Cruz/Counsell platoon would remind me too much of a 2002ish position player. #2. Cain is expendable for a good SP because I believe we could fill that hole via a Prince deal. #3. Lucroy is not untouchable but pretty close. Who do we replace him with? Zaun is 40. Sorry, catcher is not a position of depth. Any deal for a pitcher require us dealing from depth meaning OF or corner IF bat (McGehee or Gamel) or one of Jeffress/Rogers. I don't think we match up for Greinke at all unless a 3-way deal can be consumated.
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If that is what it takes you can guarantee the Brewers won't do it. Creating 3 massive holes in the everyday lineup for one starter would be foolish regardless of who the pitcher is. Any subsequent Fielder deal would have to fill two of those holes with major leaguers or major league ready talent.
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Red Sox to sign Crawford to 7 year/$142 mil deal
Warning Track Power replied to Crew2323's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Yeah, you never see an NBA team that can load up with that much talent. The point is that the Indianapolises of the NFL can pay the highest salary to the best QB. The Utahs of the NBA can pay the best PG in the NBA the most money. Small markets can compete with large markets in those two sports no problem. As much as I can't stand him, LBJ took less $ to play in Miami than he could've made in Cleveland. -
I'm going to quote myself (which is rather lame) but I think this is the crux of the argument for trading prospects for a young and controllable (3 more years on the contract) pitcher like Garza. The everyday lineup theoretically is set for the next few seasons, barring a catastrophic injury and unexpected regression. Seeing that none of the players in the everday lineup is close to leaving their prime years I think it is fair to assume they will continue to perform at or near their current levels (Braun, McGehee, Weeks, Hart) and/or improve (Escobar, Lucroy, Cain). Trading upper level hitting propsects and a Jeffress or a Rogers is worth the deal, assuming that is what it takes. Even if Cain is sent in the deal for Garza. A corresponding Fielder deal could then focus on bringing back a CF (Adam Jones in Baltimore?) and upper level hitting prospects. EDIT: A Fielder trade to Baltimore would immediately make them my favorite AL team now that JJ is there as well.
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My vitriol is that I think we need to spend that money more wisely. I understand any trade for a Garza type requires prospects be traded first and foremost, however, as a small market team, the Brewers cannot afford to lock down $10MM on a pitcher who quite frankly would open the season as the fourth guy in the rotation. I'd much rather spend that plus whatever extra millions it would cost to lock down that Garza-type acquired in a trade. To simplify my point, I think that Pavano helps ensure respectability i.e. a .500 record. A Garza-type helps win the Division, Pennant, World Series.
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Now that Crawford signed with Boston, I wonder if the Angels would have any interest in acquiring Fielder. Santana maybe?
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Just because he is the 2nd best FA SP doesn't mean he's worth the contract we'd be signing him to. Nor do I consider this a victory to have signed the 2nd best FA SP two years in a row. Lee and Halladay were both traded last year. Wouldn't you rather have the 2nd best SP traded in 2010 (pick one) than the 2nd best SP FA (Wolf)? Pavano has pitched like a #2 twice in his 12 year career. 5 seasons ERA over 5. 3 seasons ERA over 4.64.
