Those are arguments that I hear often and have no idea how to address because they are representative of an entirely perspective on baseball. Now, the arguments are not entirely without merit, For instance if the game is tied in the bottom of the 9th and there is a runner on third, it is true that a walk does not do all that much to help. However, what a lot of people fail to recognize is that if a batter in that situation draws a walk he did so because he did not see any pitches that would probably result in an out. All that said: OPS >>> BA and BA/OBP/SLG >>> BA/HR/RBI