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This also only works if we can convince the Brewers to trade for Cobb to play 1b.
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There really isn't precedent for an elite talent to be traded in the NFL with minimal team control. Maybe looking at baseball is the answer as it happens quite often. Teams have a tendency to shell out big in prospect value for elite talents at the deadline with either 0.5 or 1.5 years of team control remaining. I certainly get the impression from comments above that sides are not close. If the Packers are just now backing off needing #13 overall AND the Jets claim the Packers are being irrational and unreasonable...that gives me the impression maybe they think he's worth like a 3rd or something and the Packers wanted #13 overall value which I think I've seen would also be comparable to getting those 2 2nds. Maybe the sides really are THAT far apart.
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Add fuel to the "he said she said". I think we'll all have a better feel for who is/was irrational once the trade finally gets done.
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Fair points. CC just said that Anderson will play a lot of RF to start the season. I wouldn't doubt him and Winker splitting starts there with Anderson also getting some 3b/1b and Winker getting some DH. Neither Winker or Anderson are average defenders out there, but they have plenty of experience and in theory their bats should play just fine. I certainly can see the value of having Frelick/Wiemer up now, they might be better short term and certainly are better long term. But the flexibility and that extra year of control can't be ignored as factors. Clearly for MA that equation spits out the answer of keep both down for a bit and try Winker/Anderson.
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The Brewers will literally never go into a season without some unproven bullpen arms. Most teams won't. The Dodgers have more money than the entire NL Central, yet they have a couple question marks at the back end. We certainly have more, but it's hardly a major concern to have unproven arms so long as you have at least a few reliable arms and alternative options exist at AAA(which they do). I also don't see right field unrest as an issue, considering at any time we can bring up Wiemer/Frelick among other true outfield options. In a small sample, there aren't that many difficult plays for outfielders to make...everyone on the roster could make most of the required plays with ease. Especially with the pitching we have that typically rack up strikeouts. It's just not an issue in the short term, if we're rolling a similar situation into May or even June...that's a bigger problem...but it's tough to imagine not bringing up one of the prospects by then.
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Not insisting on it doesn't necessarily mean we aren't asking for comparable value. We might not be, but I wouldn't say he conceded getting #13 value.
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Are we sure Rodgers on that squad will be THAT good? With 2021 Rodgers, the Jets are NOT the best team in that division. With 2022 Rodgers they might be the worst team in that division. It would be quite hilarious if the Packers bet against Rodgers and settled on the 2024 first round pick as primary comp only to have it be a top 10 pick.
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I disagree, team control, skill, upside, etc all matter. I think in this case, looking at Ke'bryan Hayes is probably the best comparable. He had a full year of service time, but last year signed an 8/70 extension. This is the largest deal ever given to a player with between 1 and 2 years service time and buys out 3 years of free agency with an option for a 4th. That's probably a much better basis point than a guy with 2+ years of data, but I also suspect is probably more than Frelick could get considering he has 0 MLB at bats and doesn't have nearly the upside of Hayes.
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Good info to post, but I don't think this has any bearing on Frelick. Gimenez only has 4 years of team control and actually struggled a bit early in his career. Their offensive profiles are also very very different.
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Also worth adding, their best 3 hitters all RH. They'll see LH starters sometimes but rarely will they see a LH reliever. The reliever they face will almost always be a teams top 2 RH relievers.
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Is it just me, or is this lineup not THAT good? I feel like Arenado and Goldschmidt will not be as good as last year. Goldschmidt had a career year at age 34 and Arenado had his best season if you remove the Coors factor(career 818 OPS on the road removes Coors factor, 2022 he was much better than that). I'm sure they'll be good, I see both guys falling in the mid 800s OPS range most likely...which is still very good of course. Aside from that, what here is scary? Walker has huge upside but otherwise a lot of low 700s or worse OPS players in 2022.
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This is at least a 10 game suspension right?
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Even if this pick doesn't go straight to the Packers, it's very likely related. The Jets have more draft capital to work with in a trade and for what they want out of the draft for themselves, regardless of whether this specific pick goes to GB or not.
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Why is this in blue? On that subject... How ecstatic are Bears fans that their owner won't have to demolish them this year?
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Not exactly a Packers move, but this is certainly relevant to potential compensation for Rodgers...
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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/22/in-dealing-with-the-packers-its-time-for-the-jets-to-act-like-new-yorkers/ And then there's this take.....
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I'll raise my hand as being way wrong at the time. There was a lot of star potential in the players we traded. Unfortunately they all went bust, and nobody really could have expected Yelich to go from what he was to a double MVP
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That seems aggressive, I hope you're right.
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Why not? 60 million to not put your body at risk...
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One additional note, Adams decided last year that he wanted to go to the raiders and that deal seemed to come together pretty quick. Small sample, but I'm inclined to believe if one side is being unreasonable...it's the jets. Their front office isn't exactly a beacon of success.
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The more I read up on this, what a weird situation this is from a leverage standpoint. Packers fans seen to think the Packers have all the leverage because Rodgers announced his intent and the jets have been signing all his buddies. Jets fans think the jets have the leverage because there are no other teams in on Rodgers. Its kinda tough to know. At the moment it seems to me the Packers have more leverage, but if they want 2023 draft comp they need to finalize a deal sooner than later. And of course it gets weird if Rodgers shows up to Packers off season and pre season stuff if this really drags out. I do wonder how far apart the sides really are. It seems pretty stupid if the jets are offering a second and the Packers want a first to not meet in the middle with the Packers getting the first but sending something else back. Who knows if those comp reports are accurate. The best case for both teams is a quick/fair resolution.
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You're completely correct if he's primarily financially motivated AND he's bad and would be bad in any circumstance. If he has desire to be great, it kinda sucks as that's 3 prime years he's not accumulating counting stats. And who knows what impact not playing for at least 2 of the years will have on his development. Side note, football really isn't my sport. I appreciate all the opinions on the Rodgers situation. I was very curious how strong our position is with him and what we might get back in compensation. Sounds like most think we have a pretty strong negotiating position, I hope you all are right. We need to get him out the door immediately, I wanted to trade him last year as he doesn't seem motivated to win. He seems all about Rodgers and kinda in coast mode. No matter the sport, some guys stop caring when they get a big enough contract or generally get enough money. Rodgers has gotten weird in general but I just don't think he's doing the right things to get ready to be a top 5 QB this year.
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Interesting stuff on Rodriguez. One thing off the bat, in not really sure he's throwing a slider based on this data alone, those seem like they could easily be mislabeled cutters thrown a bit slower. 6 different pitches is a lot for any pitchers to actually use in game, much less such a young pitcher. Lance Lynn and Corey kluber are always the guys that come to mind for me as successful MLB pitchers that rely heavily on multiple different types of hard pitches. That cutter looks really well located. Such a young pitcher being able to bust a guy up inside and backdoor the cutter effectively is very impressive. A lot to like for sure, incremental improvements are probably enough to make the show as his arsenal seems good enough already. Significant improvements on one of his off speed pitches, significant bump in velo, and/or becoming a plus command guy could get him into that #2/3 starter profile...in my opinion.
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I agree completely with this. That said, I don't think the Brewers will extend any of Woodruff, Burnes, or Adames. It seems most think one of Adames/Woodruff will get extended, I just don't. Pure opinion, based on nothing but my opinion. We'll see.
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I might literally puke when I say this, but pending the teams in the 16-20 range...they might be a touch low. They've spent to add some good players, and they've gotten better at making something out of nothing with bullpen arms. You can squint and see a 6 or 7 seed...especially considering the Brewers could start slow, trade good players, and be worse than the Cubs on paper by August. 21 would probably be the right spot if they traded divisional places with the diamondbacks or nationals...but their odds are probably slightly better in the central.
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