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Talk about what you will with Knebel but for me, it's simple. Watch where the catcher sets up when he pitches. Corey, beyond almost anyone I've ever seen throw a baseball, rarely if ever hits the glove or is even near it. Not even worth discussing command when control altogether is easily the bigger question.

...And won the World Series. Hot take.

Let's hope he's not done. As resource rich as they are, eating $21M annually brings them back to the pack a bit.

Too bad he didn't stick behind the plate. He'd definitely have some value there.

I remember 12 years ago when most Brewer "fans" used to think like this. I'm glad we've come a long way since then.

This very well may end up happening but I think there is at least as good of a chance that he eats his way out of baseball. The scouting reports are really starting to skew negatively and his "bad body" is always the first thing noted.

Its an ode to his father. They've mentioned it ad nauseum during other games.

To address the question in the subject line, how about we start at putting together a solid full season at the plate above A ball? Yes, he's only 23 but outside of his one year playing A ball, his numbers are unsightly. I, for one, would like to see him prove he can cross the finish line this year at the level he's been performing at. I'm just not ready to buy into him being ready because he's now hitting in arguably the best hitting environment in the world.

This is correct...in the regular season. Also, assuming Hiura is a .900 OPS guy at the MLB level is a gigantic leap of faith. I know what DeGrom is. He's a guy in his last 7 starts that's gone at least 7 every time out and given up more than one run once. A guy like that helps our pen play up that much more. In my opinion, we've become obsessed with the game changing to a bullpen game. That's fine in May and June but let's see where things land in August and September when the inning counts are approaching all time records. As far as Hiura goes, many a prospect has tore up high A and AA and failed at the MLB level. We still don't know who or what Hiura is and likely won't for a few years. At the end of the day, just like every other prospect, he's still a gamble.

I remember a few years back when many of the same posters that are roasting Arcia in this thread were also convinced and outspoken about how bad Jean Segura was at baseball. Let history be a lesson here. Arcia is 23, yes twenty freaking three. While he's struggling at the moment and not necessarily the answer this year, let's not act like there's not plenty of time for him to turn things around and be a plus player for the Crew down the road.

Just out of curiosity, why would his playing career be irrelevant? He obviously had enough athletic ability to make it to the Major Leagues. But he was a below average Major League hitter. If he was unable to develop himself as a hitter, when he had every motivation in the world to do so (his financial future depended on his ability to play the game), what makes anybody think that he can develop others as hitters? What has Darnell Coles shown that convinces anybody he's the answer? What raw talent has he developed into a top flight hitter? I agree. Imagine the bucks hiring a shooting coach who in his playing career was a 35% shooter?? He may be a nice guy and all but if he couldn't shoot well enough when he played why would players listen to him with their careers? I don't get it not being relevant. Got it. When you get a second, can you please walk me through Bill Belichick's Hall of Fame playing career?

In quantity, yes. I'd definitely put Yellich and Hader in the category of impact young talent.

Strikeout numbers looking good but the walks remind me nothing of Sheeter. Control has been erratic.

What scares me is trying to figure anything out at the major league level...period.

Yeah, put it all the feet of the guy who gave up the leadoff walk. Not the guy who gave up multiple damage after that with 2 walks and a laser off the wall and can't do the one and only thing he was signed to do. Makes sense. I criticized Williams in the GT for the leadoff walk, its obviously not good but to essentially put it all on him because the guy who came in for him couldn't get an out lefty/lefty is laughable. Well then. I guess you're laughing at a 40% probability because that's what happens when you walk the leadoff hitter in major league baseball. That's about as sure a thing as you get in baseball from an offensive standpoint as nothing comes easy. You're right, downright laughable.

Meanwhile, Taylor Williams essentially cost us two games this week. But he came up through the system so it's all good.

What do you mean? He's a decent pitcher. There's no controversy about him starting when he's healthy. I'm like 99% positive he was joking in reaction to my post and the post from the guy saying that it would be underwhelming to bring Davies up in place of the one hit wonder to this point, Peralta. That though, may be the single worst take I've seen in 15 years of coming to this board.

Exactly. Some people here have already anointed him a 2019 September call up and the 2020 starter. Not saying that won't be the case, but let's let him hit high A pitching consistently, first.

Totally. Why would we want to go with the proven guy?

Why, do you expect him to be a star? Service time really only matters for guys who play to an All Star level or strongly outperform their positon's value. I've never seen anyone have that kind of crystal ball out on Dubon. We're talking about Mauricio Dubon here, not Kris Bryant. The chances of service time mattering for him are slim and none. Maybe you have extra millions of dollars laying around in your sock drawer, but service time matters to the Brewers. Basically, you are paying a player a year sooner than you would have had to. So year 3 of playing is first year of arby, instead of min. wage. Each year of arby is more pay. And you lose the player control a year earlier than you would have had to. Since you think Dubon is not anything special, you might still want to take a look at what Perez ($1.975) and Villar ($2.55) are receiving their first year out of min. wage. Quite a jump from high $500Ks that players make the last year the team can keep them at min. wage. Such a small market mentality...worry about everything for the sake of worrying about everything. I'm not telling you it doesn't matter, just that the likelihood of it mattering with this player is slim and none. Look, in retrospect, teams throw away millions all the time. Every one of them. If he costs us $2M more one year earlier, do you really believe that will be the difference between winning a championship and not winning a championship? Will that be the $2M that cripples the franchise? And when was the last time we started the service clock on someone where it really, really came back to bite us in the a$$? It doesn't matter nearly as much as you think and that's a fact based on history.

Why, do you expect him to be a star? Service time really only matters for guys who play to an All Star level or strongly outperform their positon's value. I've never seen anyone have that kind of crystal ball out on Dubon. We're talking about Mauricio Dubon here, not Kris Bryant. The chances of service time mattering for him are slim and none.

This whole thread reminds me of the days when many of the "forward thinkers" here were trying to persuade the level headed minority that Taylor Green was going to be the next Brooks Robinson. Nate Orf at his absolute best is lightening in a bottle for a few weeks. At worst, he's AAAA which is the most likely outcome. The problem on this team to this point of the season has been the sum of the parts. There's really no need to heap the offensive ineptitude on one position.

He's had the single biggest drop in spin rate the past 5 years in all of baseball. His stuff isn't coming back.

And part of my point was why do we need anyone besides Josh Hader in the "Hader role," particularly someone who's stuff isn't close to equivalent?

I see Kirby as the next guy in the Hader role in a couple of seasons. This seems like a huge reach. Is Kirby even breaking 90MPH? I don't think his stuff is even in the same galaxy. All of that said, I'm all for keeping Hader in the Hader role. He seems to be doing just fine there.