Yes athletes are human, yes they make mistakes. What most of them don't do is take PEDs then lie about it. This whole "nobody's perfect" mantra just falls on deaf ears. Oh, and for the record, I don't accept the premise most everyone in business lies, all executives cheat on their wives, etc. And if I do run across people like that, no, I don't like or respect them either. So no different than Braun. Every person caught taking PEDs lied about it just like Braun did. I didn't say all of them took, and I didn't say everyone lies in business and wives. Just that it's common, and those were just some quick common examples, and you can come up with many many more easily. I'm pointing out the difference is we know about it because he's a celebrity. For average joes if they've never done anything to you then you're none the wiser and think they're good people. I'd be surprised if at least one person in all of our common contacts hasn't or doesn't frequently cheat on their spouse. Isn't there some stats out there that say it's like 60%-ish. I'm with you in the general attitude of not liking or respecting attitude if it's a clear habitual thing (talking beyond spouse cheating, whatever shady thing it is) they're doing that is shady rather than a screw up and then otherwise being normal. Again, you just don't know about a lot of it though since they're not famous. Generally try to be empathetic to how life can often go for people and try to be empathetic as much as possible. Spitballing here I'd say I kind of operate on a two strike type of rule, like everyone gets a second chance type of thing. So my main premise of all of that long post was that if this is the worst he's done, then he's pretty low on the list of 'bad guys' in baseball imo compared to what others do. So kind of trying to put in perspective relative to the real world and the examples I gave, then throw in domestic violence, hard drugs, DUIs, any violence, gun stuff, being terrible fathers, hitting their kids, etc. Yet he gets more vitriol because of his level of celebrity over a guy like KRod. OF course he could do those other things too, we have no idea, and that's my point. We don't so maybe we just chill on the judging and acting better than everyone else. Also, I thought JimH5's post was well said and kind of the way I see it from the 'hating' side of Braun. I totally get it and that's kind of how I'd phrase rather than being so damning.