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I saw some meatpacking stuff a couple months back, roughly when GB area had the big outbreak from it. That article is odd to include that along with other seemingly recreational activities. But if you haven't seen anything on meat plants the reason is they have the facilities as small and cramped as possible because it costs so much money to cool the facilities to the temps needed. So, the result is you have the works literally shoulder to shoulder, in an enclosed cool environment, with poor ventilation. Sounded like a fairly bad working condition even before this happened. But it's kind of the perfect storm for it, probably even more than a crammed bar.

If they can just get through the next two weeks without another MIA/STL issue I think they have a shot to pull it off. I feel like they caught a minor break so far on STL that it wasn't worse. So now if you can two clean weeks hopefully these show to be one off or flukes. They should also serve as a 'take this serious' warning to all other teams or else they're at risk of losing their paychecks. ETA: Turns out I spoke too soon. Looks like STL is going to be worse. So with all their protocols, their financial benefits, and this much testing look what's happened to two MLB teams. You'd think people would wake up throughout the country on what can happen to normal people/work environments (without any of those perks). Yet, I had to listen this weekend about how it's all made up and not real, after almost 5 months now this faction still won't listen to basic common sense, math, data, and science.

Perhaps not the best post to quote but somewhat on the topic I'm going. I've surprisingly found it hard to kind of 'get back into it' since this started up again. Maybe stemming from what you're saying or maybe just having gotten accustomed to not having my days somewhat centered around sporting events, idk. For example, I listened to much of the Friday night game while driving and it was good to hear Bob. Bt then I got home and there was other baseball on, you'd think after no sports for 4 months I'd be into it. I ended up flipping between Chappelles show and Rambo 1 instead. And as this week has gone on I've been still a bit with the 'whatever' attitude to the games. Maybe because MKE has been kind of blah so far but I've not been easy to get into and bored with the games, messing around on my phone. I have a feeling NBA will get more back into sports again though. we'll see

I would probably guess it's the close interaction we don't see off camera when they're together for hours than the little things we're talking about here. however, it does show that it's likely behind the scenes they're acting normal-ish (or even that its just inevitable due to traveling together etc, like it's not even out of their fault) around each other and much of this on the field is because there is a camera there. I get it though, they have to be thinking hey we're around each other already and this is kind of their bubble. Like how many of us are probably with our families. However, everyone of these guys is going out of the bubble every night and coming back so probably have to be a bit more vigilant on it if you want to get the season and paycheck in.

Yes there was some negative things lately with hazing and Franklin being a bet crazy. They also had a racist thing happen last season with an alumni or donor sending a letter to kid telling him to cut his dreads off, something of that nature. But they still provide everything else a college player wants and Franklin is a great recruiter. Think there is a possible TE announcing today.

Don't forget tossing a friend like $20 to use his FSW password, assuming you know someone living in the state with normal cable.

We should never be complaining about having too many competent starting pitchers. Do we not remember the last 30 years? And from a criticizing team building for this year, would it have been smart to bank on Burnes/Peralta after last year's results? then factor in injuries that happen every year. They should be applauded for acquiring good depth of quality guys. We can't afford high end guys but we can do this, it makes perfect sense to me.

Yea I understood this to still be the first wave this whole time since we never actually squashed it the first time before re-opening. I didn't really know that was even being debated or talked about. The idea of a 2nd wave to me would be what happens when Europe is a month or two into re-opening or in the fall for them, if it pops again.

At the very least at least now everyone with normal colds and flu will be at home out of caution in case it's covid instead of powering through to not miss work like in the past. Even as someone who almost never gets sick I found it gross to watch/hear on a daily basis. In theory you'd think normal flu illnesses and deaths go down noticeably next year for this reason combined with all covid precautions also slowing normal flue spread.

Defensive backfield is one of the areas they needed clear improvement from in order compete with OSU. They seem to have done that in recruiting, of course lots of steps to go before they're on the field but its a start. If this continues, then WR would be the other clear area where they could improve a lot. Unfortunately they just lost their best WR coach they've had in countless years who was also one of their best recruiters. They had started doing better there, we'll see what happens now.

I want to say that wasn't some con, it was a legit screw up or glitch somehow and they acknowledged it and are trying to fix. Errors are going to happen. But of course it won't stop people from continuing to claim its all bs. The sooner people realize the ones who are telling them this is all bs and they are being lied to are actually the ones BSing them, the better.

Good point. I know at the beginning of this I was surprised they put so much time before starting. It now makes sense. Time for pre testing and quarantine in the bubble, then a buffer for stuff like this, combine that with the extra money and it makes sense. Still, I think I probably would've cut it down and lowered the risk. But with TBT working I'm reasonably confident this will be ok.

It was also really dumb to run to complain about the food the first two days when they're in complete lockdown mode. So all the food has to be pre packaged. After they get out of that initial quarantine they have numerous good restaurants. And sure, one might get cooked poorly here and there, just like it could anywhere else. Biggest concern for the Bucks so far to me is I don't think there has been a Bledsoe sighting or any word on him.

"This is one of the biggest conflicts that I see, that a lot of people seem to have moved from the beginning where it was widely accepted many of us would contract the virus but would probably be OK and we just had to elongate who got it and when, vs. now, where we have to stay isolated until it's gone or vaccinated." That is essentially he billion dollar question. What is the level of acceptable risk. I'd guess most would be fine with the accepted risk if the numbers were at a low starting point, however, that is clearly not the case. I still don't think, outside of fringe extremes, many people want to be shut down until 0 and majority accept that that it's going to be a part of the daily risk of life going forward (like driving, guns, other illness, etc). Heck, clearly a good portion are totally willing to go out even with the numbers. But I think it's totally logical for people to want to hold back now (in general, not specific to schools) with these numbers, and I'd guess that is the clear majority as of now. Give us the EU numbers/rates and I don't think anyone outside of extremes would be against opening and doing our best. Snaps last post on the blame game is 100% correct though. Not looking forward to that. Folks are doing their best in an unforeseen and unknown situation. Need to be empathetic and work together.

Very good point there I didn't really think of. Normal cold/flu is still going to happen, and obviously kids are typically known as big on that stuff, which will lead to everyone having to treat like covid initially and subsequent freaking out that will come with it when a kid is sick. Gonna be a tough route to navigate for everyone involved.

I saw Swedens numbers have recently come way down. I want to say some 0 death days recently. So, while they've had some of the highest per pop deaths in the world so far due to this which looks like their strategy is probably not good. Some of the recent trends look good, so maybe it'll pay off later on, we'll see. Although, whatever I read had some kind of anti body test stat that I think only estimated like 6% of the population has had it. Don't hold me to the number but it was low and nowhere near the herd immunity buzzword. I don't think they could really draw a conclusion as to why the sudden drop off as I think it only started in the last 2-3 weeks. Best guess I think was that people are simply taking it serious and distancing themselves from others and masking even if the govt didn't make them. Or maybe they just stopped testing, haha

There is a third option too for that problem and it's pay more. That's the tradeoff. Continue to pay low and accept worse teachers and worse education for your kids, essentially lowering the bar. Or pay more. You seem to be on the let it get worse camp. I'd guess the majority would prefer better education. That said, I'm all for outside the box ideas to do things differently in education, it seems our bang for the buck on it vs other countries is low. Not sure just punting on it is the route I'd go though. I'd also guess the majority of the problems on those results are our society in general and the infrastructure/politics/bureaucracy of education these days than the actual teachers themselves. Seems to me the people on the top need to start listening to the people on the floor, which is a problem in many many business. But I digress, sorry.. The whole point was simply that its gonna be another problem to navigate right now.

OSS, you're last line is basically where I'm at on it too. Can't have unlimited spending bankrupting like other states but also see the problems. Changes had to be made back then and I was for it. Now, rather than be dug in on that view no matter what happens I look at objectively and think it's gone too far the other way. But I also feel like someone is stealing a chunk of this money somewhere, these budgets are huge and referendum after referendum gets approved, where is this money going. The overpaid administrators can't be the only problem in that sense. But like Turbo said, there's now a shortage. I used to say back then (remember then teachers out of school couldn't get jobs because there was too many applying) that it's supply and demand. If you have too many applying because it's a good gig, well you're probably paying too much and can scale back. Now, that same view applies the opposite way.

Semantics on ARs. You know the point, we don't do anything about it as a society and the solution was that teachers should arm themselves, cmon. OSS, Yea I agree with you in general and did in general with the limiting that Walker did here. The numbers back then were too much and the state was in the red. But the pendulum probably swung too far the other way now, classic politics. You're right, the folks who've been in it for a long time reaped the benefits of good pay, early retirement, pension, etc. The young ones now are not though. A younger teach essentially has no shot to buy a home unless they get married or family help. Many struggle to pay bills, need roommates, etc. They haven't had raises in years in many districts. They literally have to pay for the school supplies out of their own pocket. Those retirement perks are way way down now. The respect thing is probably a bit gone now too. First, the politics essentially convincing 30% of the pop that teachers are overpaid trash stealing money from them. Second, everything is now the teachers fault not the kids. Back in the day (i know) the teacher had authority and the parents sided with the teacher as kind of a disciplinary figure the kid needs to respects. Now, a huge chunk come in attacking the teachers for everything and their kid is never in the wrong. It's the teacher doing this wrong or picking on their kid, etc. Talking to teachers, it sounds just a bad situation to be in. Have to remember the daycare workers probably don't have the education to be a teacher either. But overall your point is right, it's not the worst thing job in the world and there is still good state benefits, even if less than before. And so far we haven't seen a big issue with daycares (obviously a much smaller scale, but still). It's probably swung a bit too far against teachers of late and now this is another thing added to it and they're gonna do it. I was just told by one today they were told by their district today they're fully "on" as of now. And like you I didn't mean to get in the teacher rabbit hole. Was just pointing out the problems I said and the teacher who just posted said, combined with covid you're going to be running into a teacher shortage issue. The reasons behind that all are probably best left alone.

Generally agree with finding a way, as i said that was my goal the whole time. It's huge for the kids and society. Issue you're going to run into is we've treated teachers like crap for years and now this is another thing we're going to dump on them. You're going to see older ones close to retirement choose retirement instead. Many who are married and don't need to work will choose not to work. Pregnant or trying to get pregnant ones will take the year and possibly never come back. You'll also have a substitute problem as many are retirees, who now won't want to do it. Another big chunk are recent grads who didn't get jobs, those will be now already be hired due to the people I said who will quit. And then what's gonna happen, society will guilt the teachers into it because it's the right thing to do (as it probably is) all the while demanding their pay/benefits go down, that they pay for supplies out of pocket, do all kinds of extra hours help for free, be able to defend themselves vs assault rifles, etc. And they have to do this because it's the right thing to do, but a big chunk of the pop couldn't be hassled to not go to bars/restaurants even though it's the right thing to do, which has led to this problem still being here.

Great post SoCal. Yea school is rapidly approaching and at this point it doesn't look promising. And the politicizing of the fight on that is going to be brutal to sit through. Schools in fall was my whole goal way at the beginning or when deciding on re-opening plans. Wish we'd bit the bullet for longer to get the numbers way lower than we did, but here we are.

The rate/% will for sure be lower, or, well, we'd be shocked if it's not. The talking point I started down was about the total numbers. So the question kind of becomes will the rate/% drop enough to balance for the high number of cases to keep from a higher deaths number per day. I'd guess a general keeping in the 500-1000 area we've been a while with maybe a marginal increase. But my whole point was that we shouldn't just accept that as good enough, its clear we can do better. Doubt and hope we don't start seeing 2500/day again. But as each days go by my optimism wanes.

Yea I think I said when it was happening that GoT would be the last appointment level TV show you basically have to watch that night as it's so big. Hope to be wrong

Great post on the long one FTZ. I'd thought of the timeline thing and for the most part I ruled it out for a few reasons, first that it's been so long that we've had plenty of time to get in check. Obviously that's just a feeling thing with no backing, but after almost 4 months the policies have had time to get in place no matter where. But that's where my head went, by no means saying it's correct. Second was that both of the the two countries I grabbed have basically been in the very low ballpark I mentioned going back to mid to late May. Third, the fact that we had that advantage to get ahead of this and didn't is actually a bad thing imo, not an excuse. Again, IDK if any of that's right but that's what went in my head when I thought of that issue. For overall testing, as of 2-3 weeks ago EU was basically testing the same percent of population as us (with us getting like 8x as many cases per pop and that was before the number got even worse the last 2 weeks). That's what started me on the wormhole, that info was all out there for testing and cases 1-2 weeks back and then I thought to look at deaths today and couldn't find it. Those rates could've easily change by now, but that's what I basing off. Your 2nd paragraph is the billion dollar question, fingers crossed. Kinda agree with your guess that we're gonna maintain in this 5-1000 per day window a while. And that's kind of what I was getting at, this narrative push is trying to act like that's ok or to normalize it. But we're seeing much better elsewhere, we can do better imo and this plateau we've been on a while should not just be shrugged and accepted when clearly whatever these other countries implemented seems to have much better results. Which makes me agree with OWBCs post here as well. Overall though, good post, I don't disagree with anything you said. Just adding info to my train of thought on it.

Yea sure seems that way to me as well. I said something yesterday along the lines of how everyday just seems the same as the last(discussion about how it didn't feel like the 4th and how surprising it's July already), which kind of gave me the vibe you're describing there. This is really going to really hit people in the face again if they shut down schools Also, not sure I've seen the PITA acronym used before, not surprising I picked it up quickly haha.