MrTPlush

What would you rather have? Cheap 1B stopgap in Jason Rogers? Prospects plus cheap 1B stopgap? Clearly people are having reading comprehension issues with the first 9 words of my comment. I just explained why he would want a different 1B outside of Rogers.

What would you rather have? Cheap 1B stopgap in Jason Rogers? Prospects plus cheap 1B stopgap?

Leave it to Clancy to pull the Carlos Gomez comparison out of his pocket. And if he becomes a Gomez type player Braun would become a big trade asset so we can have a Santana/Phillips/Broxton outfield...though I don't expect Broxton to ever hit well enough to really be a force.

I will take that return for a back up 1B who can't play another position any day. Jason Rogers is never going to produce as a average starter so glad we got some value while it was still high. As for blocking him I don't think that was ever the plan. I am guessing trading him was always in Stearns mind.

A little too much reading into a generic letter he probably didn't even write himself. Seriously this is nothing special as stated by someone above. This is just an attempt to get fans on the rebuilding bandwagon and to sell tickets.

I mentioned Grandal twice. Then why on earth is this conversation still going on? Some of these trade idea just flat out don't make sense from the get go.

All this conversation and no one has mentioned the fact the Dodgers already have an All Star catcher on their roster.

I agree, but my hesitation is that if he doesn't do well in the field and he lets that get him down or takes that to the plate with him. You kind of have to know what kind of personality you are dealing with, can he just brush it off or will he dwell on it or try to do too much at the plate to make up for it. Well depends what kind of bad defense we are talking about. Errors are what can get into a players head. Just not having the range or bad routes won't really effect a player as much because he probably doesn't realize it.

Thornburg and Blazek should be strictly bullpen only. That's where they have found success keep them there. Both were always long shots as starters so why mess around with them? Now there is always a case for Will Smith, but even if he could starts what is he, maybe a #4 starter? Keep him where he dominates and not add to the pile of back of the rotation starters. Simply put there is no need so that is why they aren't in consideration.

Evan Gattis comparison isn't too bad. I'd say Davis has more value because he can actually play LF while Gattis is pretty strictly a DH. That and the fact Khris Davis has shown improvement in his time at the MLB level, while Gattis was traded as more of a one year wonder that a lot expected to come back down to earth. I buy the comparison though, but I feel Khris Davis has a bit more value for the reasons stated above. If his OBP increase and power surge are legit he has notably more value, but that would take another year to be fully sure about.

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I'm sorry but in no way is Braun even close to being average in RF. His routes are garbage and his reaction time is very poor. I feel bad for him as he shouldn't be playing out there. I can never recall him being so bad in LF so it is pretty amazing how lost he is in RF. I can agree he is pretty close to average in LF, but RF? No a chance. Braun used to have elite offense, but he isn't at that level anymore. His offensive game overall is slightly better than Gordon, but Gordon is vastly better at defense. Only reason Braun would be worth notably more is because of his MVP award making teams drool about the past. If they both got deals I'd say both would be within $3mil annually of each other and that isn't too much when you start getting towards $20mil annually.

Yes a reality check that the BR similar batters are pointless and horribly inaccurate. You really think those are similar batters? Really?

Overall value the two are fairly comparable. Braun is a better batter providing more power/speed combo, but as you said Gordon has way better defense. Their offensive games aren't that far off of each other. Obviously they aren't the same because what two batters are exactly the same? Point is overall value is about the same and both are similar in age. If both were on the market they would probably get similar deals. Braun's power/speed is likely to be preferred, offensively, but Gordon doesn't have a trailer full of nagging injuries or poor defense hitched behind him. Also I hope you weren't referring to Braun being above average in RF...because he is not even close to average. He honestly should not be playing RF and I doubt another team would put him there. Most would prefer a move back to LF where he is closer to average.

For sure Braun is probably a last ditch option after FA. The problem I see if the fact his contract is pretty close to market value. He is for the most part fairly comparable to Alex Gordon overall at this point and most think Gordon will fall around that 5/$100mil point. Add the injury concerns to a close to market contract does anyone really offer enough to convince the Brewers to part with, sadly, one of their most popular players? Maybe if they really want to unload him and save the money, but not so sure they are that motivated. I guess the most realistic way I see the Brewers trading him is if they eat some cash so they can actually get some decent players back. I just don't see it happening as a salary dump type deal.

I am sure clubs are interested, but I am sure most would be hoping for more of a bargain than paying the actual price tag he is worth.

I took this picture mainly to show how bad of a hitter Segura is but it also shows how bad of a catcher Schwarber is. http://i.imgur.com/Aagh1Zw.jpg Classic Segura. Probably had a hitter's count, too. Segura? Hitters count? He swings at the first pitch non stop. Not possible.

People really need to stop assuming we could have gotten the same type deal mid season. How do you know that? Lind is aging and is a major cripple. If I remember right Lind got back problems right before the deadline last year and hurt his value. You are a serious betting man if you want to risk Lind not getting hurt. Also would you pay $4mil for the prospects we just got? No...so why would you spend $4mil on Lind this year and trade him for the same prospects at the deadline? In a way it is a salary dump because we saved at least $4mil just dumping him now which has value in itself.

I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, but think about this - if you are correct that his value will never get higher, what makes you think that the GMs around MLB aren't aware of this too and aren't making low-ball offers? The thing is the value mid season won't be there. The amount of suitors will be lower and teams won't be as motivated putting in a catcher in the middle of the season with the pitchers. So if teams consider Lucroy much like his 2014 I see no reason this is his values high point. Even if he absolutely crushes this year suddenly you only get one year not two...big decline in value I don't care what kind of season he has. Then if he ends up having a down season suddenly you are looking at something close to what Gomez got. Not a bad deal by any means, but no where near what we "should" get now. GMs know this is his values peak, but it is also the highest value for them too.

I wonder how much their age played a factor into the decision. Right now a lot of our talent in the minors is starting to get into AA and AAA. Really hard to start finding places for them to play and finding time for them to get a chance at the MLB level. Yadiel Rivera for instance couldn't buy himself a chance to getting playing time at the MLB level. Why trade for a guy like DJ Peterson who would suddenly be competing with multiple guys just to get MLB playing time? Matt Clark for instance never got a shot and Mat Gamel rotted in the minors for years before getting a shot. DJ Peterson could have easily fallen into that same situation. Why not get three pitchers in the low minors where there is more room for players? I think that is the main reason he found these guys attractive and not a DJ Peterson type. DJ Peterson would have had an uphill battle right from the start.

I HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt Mark Attanasio is pacing back and forth concerned that he isn't spending more money for the same product in the end. If that is the case I am shocked he ever got wealthy.

Sure Segura ranks 18th if you would like to ignore all the SS that had injuries or just simply aren't getting starter at-bats because of the teams they play on, but could easily get full season at-bats else. If we consider anyone with 350 at-bats Segura ranks a crisp 31st out of 35 SS. Lets not try to sugar coat things and make things bias in favor of Segura. Some of the SS that you are ignoring that are better than Segura are: Jordy Mercer(Injury) Ruben Tejada Ryan Goins(I believe the guy who lost his job to Tulo) Jose Iglesias Adeiny Hechavarria(missed qualifying cut off by one at-bat) Nick Ahmed Carlos Correa(called up late) Fransisco Lindor(same as above) Jung-Ho Kang(don't think he started right away) Brad Miller And about 5 players slightly better than Segura Sorry Jean Segura is one of the worst SS in all of baseball and it won't help a big group of SS is still continuing to hit the majors right now. The guy is not good.

Yah I don't think anyone is really complaining that it was a bad trade at the time, but that it just turned out to be a pretty horrendous in the end. At the time it looked like a decent trade that got us a legit SS prospect that we needed.

You don't have to click on the thread. It is that easy...no really...that easy. He may not have said it eloquently but he does have the right to comment on the misuse of a stat as much as people have the right to misuse it. I don't tell people to not click on the page if they want to misuse WAR so it would be nice if people who point out the misuse of it would get the same consideration. There isn't any such thing as an accurate single number that captures a player's value. I have serious reservations about it's ability to even give a reasonably accurate portrait of a single player's value, let alone lump several players WAR together and measure it against another player. To me WAR is akin to measuring the value of water by computing the value of the components it's made up of. To make matters worse it weighs each component as equal even though everyone knows it takes a two:one ratio to make it. I applaud the attempt to make a single number all encompassing. It's just that it hasn't done that to any degree of accuracy IMHO. To make matter worse it's practical application seems to have morphed into the defining metric for a player's value. WAR isn't a horrible stat if you are using it right. dWAR is pretty bad overall and using WAR as your only argument also has big flaws. Like I have heard people say one player is better because he has an 8.5 WAR and another player has 7.5 WAR...not the right way to use it. But I have no problem with saying some one who has an 8.5 WAR is an elite star and someone with 0 WAR sucks. WAR is pretty good putting a player into a group: 0-2 players 2-5 players 5+ players. But once again I don't like overall WAR because that includes dWAR...personally just oWAR is useful. WAR for pitchers can also be a bit debatable too if you ask me. Basically oWAR for someone who plays starter at-bats is fairly accurate when looking at a player overall.