TJseven7

Could really use a quality April from him this year. He's been an awful slow starter.

More hiura #1 lutz #3 hype! But my list is at 18 and no ray yet so I'm probably too far down on him. I like stokes and grisham better... eh.

Carmona better start in Wisco. Unleash the kid! #10 on my list :-)

Not a webb fan?

You go too far but I'll be watching them. Not like this'll be settled for 4 years anyway. If year 1s good I'll hear oh yeah but 3-4 will suck. Then balt will trade him away showing it was for the money... and if he puts up 10 war in 3 years but a 4.3 era in year 4 I'll get the told ya so's.

Yup, that's on them.

Suter takes Logan's spot so we have a 2nd lefty. Loogey is Drakes role... but we let him get killed by rhb too.

Need him in the rotation. Mileys likely to be out too.

No, general question... I was seriously asking. Trying to figure out how Miley was so solid in Arizona and Boston but sucked in Baltimore? He admittedly got lazy and I believe his college or minors pitching coach pointed out he was over rotating and losing his release point. It's hard to imagine he'll be worse. Hard to imagine he'll be good too.

There is no way this team is paying holland 8/1 along with the 4th. We spent on one RP in 2 years and we didn't know what we had in Knebel or Hader then. I'd be completely stunned.

Yep. Agree with the window really starting in 2019. I think that’s exactky why we didn’t pick up a pitcher at last year’s trade deadline and exactly why we didn’t overpay for Arrieta or Cobb this offseason. Agreed on no 4th for a rental Lynn. So 2019, where would cobb be going? Wouldn't he be under contract through 2021? Wonder who we'll pay more for next year and if he'll be as good. Maybe we just hold tight at 100mil because we are cheap. Maybe we trade our farm for a better option then squirm to fill out the roster because we just traded our farm away. Will be fun to see which reality proves true. Pretty clear to see this teams short as is. On record not wanting a crazy package sent for the K fip king.

....... drake...... Can't he just go away already.

"Who's the pitching coach in Baltimore? Maybe that has something to do with how bad Miley was there." You really want to hand me my save face line for when Cobb sucks?

Cain Yelich Braun Shaw Santana Pina Villar Arcia P Don't want villar batting 8th and chasing crap infront of the pitcher spot. I'd accept 9th. Kinda like the speed duo at the 7-8 spots in the hope that we actually have guys on base to prompt our pitcher to bunt.

Yep. Much-needed reminder that Arnold was pretty high up in the Rays' organization before joining the Brewers, just in case anyone thinks they're better at projecting Cobb's future than the front office is. Yup and I'll wear it when I'm wrong or when they end up with better without killing the farm.

"I think the reason so many are irked, are not because Cobb is great, because he isn't, but because this was the last guy out there. There is a finality to Cobb's signing. This is it. Now all the hope about adding a starter is gone atm. People finally realize that we are not adding anybody. They didn't wanna believe DS, when he said he was happy with the rotation going in. Now they have no choice but to believe him and in him." Not quite. He was the only one that went for a deal I thought was good. He gets 72/4 and I laugh and say... well I'm out. Yu 6 years... out. Lynn rental out. Arrieta OUT. I didn't want to believe him, I don't believe in him on this one. I'm going to be ticked again if Cobb's doing well and we bleed our farm for a 2 year stud.

How do you know what the Brewers "cap" will be in 2020? First, there is no cap like there is in the NFL. Secondly, we don't know how much Mark A is willing to spend down the road. He may be willing to go higher than we think once all the pieces are in place to really make a run. And the "Monty, unless you are also torts" line is another example what I mentioned earlier. Increases go a little something like this. 2020: Braun 17 expiring Cain 15 Yelich 12.5 Phillips .5 Shaw 6 (castellanos 2018 arb 2) Arcia 3.5 (brad miller 2017 arb 1) Hiura .5 Gatewood .5 Dubon .5 Erceg .5 Pina 3 (vogt arb 2 2018) Nottingham .5 Nelson 8.5 (pomeranz arby 3 2018) expiring Anderson 8.5 Davies 5 (salazaar arby 2) Woodruff .5 Barnes .5 Knebel 9.5 (ramos arby 4 2018) expiring Hader .5 Peralta .5 Williams .5 Houser .5 Lopez .5 Kodi .5 Suter 2.5 (will smith 2017 arby 1) Decline Thames 7.5 mil. Decline Barnes arby 1 To shave 8.5 mil 98 mil if we go bare bones in 2020. Zero additions. Zero depth except for kids. No Santana. Very uneasy at 1b. Unless Erceg can get enough AB to let Braun Shaw split it. Not counting arby inflation. So let me ask you this... how deep do you think daddy warbucks will go?

I agree, but I don't agree with you on the answer. To me, the simplest answer is Cobb did not want to play for the Brewers, and quite possibly in the NL period. That's far more likely to me than the Brewers not bumping up their offer a few million if that's all it took, and they really wanted him. Since everyone has enjoyed doing this to me... What proof do you have of this? What shred of a clue makes you think this whole ordeal came down to his preference for baltimore over Mke. My guess, this is the convenient excuse you push through at acceptance while I'm still chilling at anger.

Thank you, that's what I thought. How do you know the Brewers didn't offer 64/4? You see, you have no idea what the Brewers offered, didn't offer, or why. You also have no idea what it would have taken for Cobb to sign with the Brewers. I have no problem that you're passionate about this, not at all. Honestly TJseven, I say this as a friend of the BF.net community. You're coming off as a "know it all" and that tends to turn people off in the real world, and yes here in our little community too. Maybe you don't care, and that's cool too. Ooo lawyer style entrapment use of those questions. Stripping away all context to try to prove a point. Shame! I do get the "know it all tag" far too often. Let me attempt to explain why please. I do not believe in the philisophical sense of a valid arguement... or at least that a valid arguement holds value in a debate. In the same vein, I do believe you have the right to have your opinion no matter how implausible and far fetched they may be, but I also have the right to point out how implausible they are. The stance of, you have no proof so anything is possible, while being true, fails at being correct or accurate. Think it through... guy held out for a long long time. Passed a QO. Passed an offer from his old manager and a chance to play for a contender... to choose Baltimore who is on the verge of a tear down. He's 30 and signing for a 4 year deal. That next offer at 34 is the type of Wolf Loshe Suppan Looper stuff we are terrified of. He has no connection to baltimore that we know. What's the most likely determining factor? Money! AL east love... 10 of 100. AL love 5 of 100. Baltimore love... again I'm still wondering if he'll be there in 2019... sure 20 of 100. You really want to stack all rjose low likelihood "we don't knows" against the highly probable money? Really? I don't. Doesn't mean I know jack. I don't feel I pretend to, but it sure does mean I'm playing the odds and long odds are long odds for a reason. Keep it simple. The simple answer is the likely answer. Yadda yadda. I'm not going to play, or respect the anythings possible take. It's lazy and foolhearted. I position myself on likely. That's all. I follow the clues, I do my legwork, I hold on to consistency and I sit on likely. You can bet on the Marlins winning the WS this year if you wish. I'm not going with you. It's irresponsible to go there, and I won't. So I'm going to point at unlikely and say... you seriously believe what your saying? And by questioning your improbable possibly, i get called a know it all for following the clues to probable. I state it definitely because its MOST PROBABLE and in a scenerio where there is no known... the known defaults to MOST PROBABLE.

Monty, unless you are also torts, its not directed at you. I ran down a much more novice level breakdown of what you posted there... stating we can take out Chacin and 1 of Anderson Davies if Cobb Nelson were to succeed or Nelson if he didnt. That strips 8-9 mil off the cap numbers. We aren't gaining more space in 2020 so increasing cains deal 1 mil every year instead of decreasing cains deal 1 mil every year makes no sense to me. You'd figure we'd pay him with our low cap number this year instead of pay him as these contracts continue to increase in 2019-2020. Its structured like a 3 year window deal followed by a purge and I'm not fond of that. The purge after 2020 is Braun Thames Knebel and Nelson so... not good.

You forgot that now he gets to pitch against the Rays a few games a year, and they were something like #25 offense last year, and might be worse this year. True. Also true, Yankees and Sox were pretty beastly before Stanton and JD. Baltimore doesn't have the pitchers park that TB boasts. If you want to pitch against dogs a lot, you sign with Washington.

I feel it was a capitalize on his "1 shot at a FA money grab" more than anything else. I've said 64/4. 60/4 is more than 57... I really doubt Balt did anything for him other than pay him more. I'm curious to see the defered money payout and the trade protection because I think at this time that Balt bought him to trade him next offseason. Lose Jones, Machado, sell sell sell. Selling him on a 30/3 will fetch some assets. They eat the defered cap in the rebuild. Ok, next question. How do you have any earthly idea Cobb would have signed with the Brewers at 64/4 or 60/4? A few more questions. If it's only a few million more to get him, how do you know Baltimore wouldn't have met the Brewers 64/4 offer? Or another team? Do you know if Cobb ruled out NL teams due to having to bat and run the bases? (Or just has a strong preference to stay in AL for whatever his reasons.) This is fun. Do I have any proof that he would sign with mke for that amount. No. Equal to your proof that he wouldn't. I do feel i have plausibility on my side because ever ounce of this has the look of a money grab. Disagree? How do I know Balt wouldn't have outbid 64/4? I don't. They didn't have to. That's the problem I'm dealing with. I'd have beaten that offer. That's what we do know. Do you go to an auction and pass on a good price for an item because someone might bid more? No. If there's a good price to be had on something you want and can afford, you bid. Another team? They didn't beat balt so that's not a question. Do I know if Cobb ruled out the NL? Seems fairly trivial when you are trying to land the contract that will define your lifes work earnings potential. Disagree? Staying in the offense loaded AL east, on one of the bad teams, facing a dh, sure doesn't seem like a good look for a 30 year old pitcher who may want another contract at 34. Disagree. Logic... ya know. It makes sense. What I find funny is that I'm still waiting to see how the money is defered and what trade protections are included. There's something fishy to this one... as in Baltimore is giving 1 more push with Machado Jones before burning it down and cobb is a added needed arm and an asset to trade as early as the deadline. People are trying to tell me its possible he wanted to be there and I'm wondering if he'll be there a whole year of the 4.

It's entirely possible I'm the weird one. Took me over a full week to calm down after watching what capers called vs Carolina. Heck it took me 2 days to get over what Vrabel called against KC in the early season (he got a HC job, how?) and I still can't believe how Sarkisian ended his teams season and I had good money on Philly to win. Maybe I see players as kids and it bothers me when adults fail them... I don't know. (Reading that back I feel obligated to say, yes my childhood was as perfect as you could hope for lol, and I don't have kids, nor feel I've failed any)

"please, dont come at me with the "team is run by tightwads" argument, I live in Pittsburgh, i see what a team run by tightwads looks like. Its not the brewers." You aren't doing enough simply because someone is doing less. My concern will stand until we see how this plays out in the next year.

I feel it was a capitalize on his "1 shot at a FA money grab" more than anything else. I've said 64/4. 60/4 is more than 57... I really doubt Balt did anything for him other than pay him more. I'm curious to see the defered money payout and the trade protection because I think at this time that Balt bought him to trade him next offseason. Lose Jones, Machado, sell sell sell. Selling him on a 30/3 will fetch some assets. They eat the defered cap in the rebuild.