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Brewers (Miley) vs Padres (Darvish): 4/16/23, 3:10pm
Jopal78 replied to Brock Beauchamp's topic in Archived Game Threads
When his playing career is over, the Brewers should sign Wade Miley up as a minor league pitching coach, while the Padres aren’t hot at the moment, it’s still something to see Miley go through an All Star laden lineup and befuddle them with timing, location while throwing in the 80s. -
I bet it’s 3 months or more.
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Back to the original point: see Trayce Thompson. Textbook definition of a journeyman/AAAA player, you name it. He has a 3.8 WAR in 800 PAs and he’s been with 8 different clubs in some capacity in his career. Plus, he’s been generally available twice in the last calendar year.
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That he was the #93 prospect in baseball in ‘15, 3 years after being drafted and 4 full seasons before he debuted in the majors is arguing semantics. Just as arguing a difference between labeling someone mediocre/dime a dozen/replacement level/AAAA player.
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But it’s neither lazy nor factually incorrect. Pro baseball players who can run and play defense are a dime a dozen. Players who pop a home run here and there but fail to get on base more than 30% of the time are also a dime a dozen. Again, I’ll cite my example of Trayce Thompson his stat line and experience is very similar to Taylor’s and Thompson has been with 8 different clubs in some capacity during his career. Taylor is a feel good story, a 2nd round pick out of high school who never was a prospect, yet showed perseverance and beat the odds and made it to the major leagues. That being said, let’s not kid ourselves. He’s valuable as a bench player because he’s versatile and cheap. As he gains experience he will no longer be as cheap and unless he adds to his game ( ie. If he could get his OBP up to .330 he’d probably be a 10 year bet no problem) he will inevitably become less valuable. That’s the way it is for mediocre players.
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If your metric suggests that Tyrone Taylor is similar in isolated slugging to Manny Machado, Anthony Rizzo, Alex Bregman, then you probably shouldn’t use it anymore. I do get what you’re trying to argue, but when you’re lumping one player in with some others who have three times as many PAs, it’s not persuasive.
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I guess he should be starting every day then! 😜 Taylor has 729 PAs over the time span you cited. Rizzo has 1900, Machado has 2100, Altuve and Bergman have 2000+ so your metric comparison doesn’t mean anything. Players without an elite tool and career .300 OBPs are journeyman, as mentioned earlier, the difference between Taylor and Trayce Thompson is negligible and Thompson has already been with 8 different organizations in some capacity during his career.
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Tyrone Taylor’s best asset is he’s mediocre at every facet of the game. He’s Trayce Thompson (who’s been with 9 different organizations already): he’s just a guy who isn’t good enough to be an everyday regular but not bad enough to wash out the major leagues. If the Brewers are worrying about the roster status of Taylor, it probably means the season has gone really far off the rails.
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Fan experience during the Giannis Jersey give away
Jopal78 replied to not enough jerseys's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
I never understand how little value people put on their free time, waiting in line hours for something that’s a corporate sponsor freebie? If it’s something a mega fan simply needs to have, wait two weeks, they’ll all be $50 or less on eBay and two hours of my free time is worth more to me than $40-$50 bucks -
I not surprised he cleared waivers. It’s the 40% k rate and complete lack of defensive skills. That’s a bad combo to be seeking a bench spot with. Teams that can afford, talent wise, to attempt to catch lightning in a bottle, probably didn’t want to do so at his salary. Teams that can afford payroll wise to add him, probably had better options for their last roster spot.
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The best starting pitchers in the world are in the major leagues. Hiura was initially able to hit them until pitchers adjusted how they attacked him, and heretofore he has been unable to make a successful counter-adjustment. That is exclusively why his MLB career is hanging by a thread. The dustbin of MLB history is littered with stories like that. If anything is unique about his scenario, it’s the Brewers patience in letting him continually try to put it together at the major league level.
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If Hiura was claimed off waivers the claiming team assumes his contract. I believe if he goes unclaimed he could be outrighted off the 40 man roster to AAA, where he would collect his 2.2 million dollars.
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The salaries for players in arbitration are not fully guaranteed until they make the team. They’ll owe Hiura some termination pay but not 2.2 million. Maybe somebody claims him.
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The league year has started and the Packers are under the cap and carrying Rodgers salary. Strange money things have happened before in the NFL. The Texans carried Watson’s salary for an entire year never considered releasing him yet never played him once. You’re right it could get ugly, but Rodgers does t have a no trade clause. The Packers could ship him to Washington tomorrow for a conditional pick/s in ‘24 if Rodgers reports and plays. Then the ball would be in Rodgers’ court to put up and walk away from 58 million dollars or shut up and report.
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I didn't hear him say he only wants to play for the Jets. Rodgers is not a dumb guy, and is aware these deals can and frequently do go sideways. That is why he said he intends to play in '23 and intends to play for the Jets. I doubted he was ever going to walk away from 58+ million dollars in '23 for just showing up. Thus, the Packers could trade him to any QB needy team (Commanders, Falcons, Titans, etc.) with virtually no risk. Acquiring team gives the Packers conditional picks if they can convince Rodgers to show up. If they can't they're not out anything, nor are the Packers as Rodgers would be retired.
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When the 49ers moved on to Steve Young from Joe Montana he had 4 Super Bowl rings and 2 MVP trophies. Nobody really remembers that it caused a rift with Montana and ultimately resulted in him demanding a trade. It'll be no different with Rodgers. With the passing of time nobody will care about the "he said/she said" or that Rodgers spent a year or two in New York before calling it quits.
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Sure they do, now that Rodgers stated he intends to play in '23 they can trade him to whatever team they want for conditional picks if he shows up and plays. They ostensibly hold nearly all the cards.
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Yep, and all the players he mentioned were washed up when the Packers moved on: Nelson, Hawk, Matthews, Cobb. Brett Goode never got another contract after the Packers moved on. Peppers maybe wasn't completely washed up but went to being a situational pass rusher after leaving the Packers. What are the Packers supposed to do, offer counseling to these players on what life will be like after they're not good enough for the NFL anymore?
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Look at the comps of recently traded QBs: Colts traded a 3rd rounder (88 overall) for Matt Ryan. Colts traded a 3rd rounder (84 overall) then a 1st (16th overall) for Carson Wentz The Commanders traded a 2nd (42nd overall) a 3rd (74th overall) then another 3rd (79th overall) for Wentz, a 2nd (47 overall) and a 7th (240 overall). Russell Wilson and a 4th got a 1st (9th overall), 2nd (40th overall), 5th (152 overall), then a 1st (5th), 2nd (37th) and three players. Given the above, you'd think the Packers would likely get at least a 1st for Rodgers this year maybe a player or later round picks plus conditional picks should he play beyond '23.
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Ok, well at least that's anecdotal, you had some good times watching Rodgers play for the Packers and are sad those times are, seemingly, over. I watched a lot of episodes of Letterman and was bummed after watching his final show, but less than a week later I was over it, I'm sure it will be the same for you.
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What? Favre getting knocked out cold against the Bears up in Minnesota and never playing again, or tossing a pick to single handedly lose a Championship game at home? Be bummed out I guess, but this is how it nearly always ends.
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Sure I remember Randy Wright playing QB for the Packers and how low the bar was set prior to Favre taking over. So in a way I agree the devil you know (Rodgers) is better than the one you don’t. I disagree that, other than a small minority, fans a cheering Rodgers potentially leaving. Reality is it’s just time. Even with Rodgers nobody is going to say the Packers are a contender even in the NFC based on their current talent level and he’s going to be 40 by the time it gets cold again. Practically nobody remembers Reggie White’s last game at home, Chad Clifton’s, Driver’s etc. Victory laps don’t happen much in pro sports and don’t really matter in terms of legacy anyhow.
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I guess I don’t understand your grousing about how it ended, it’s not really a surprise to anyone, virtually no one in pro sports rides off into the sunset.
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To each their own then. I’d encourage you to buck up, in the industry of pro sports where you judged by winning and losing nobody is jeopardizing their job over sentimentally. Rodgers isn’t dumb either, he likely knew when he signed his extension that the moment the team faltered on the field the Packers would move on at QB, which also means he likely has already prepared himself For this situation despite what is written about him.
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It’s not 1939 anymore, pro sports are a “what have you done for me lately” business. Rodgers is 39 and wasn’t a difference maker for the Packers last year, that’s why they’re moving on. With his play last year being okay but far below his standard he already has ceded his leverage to force the Packers to employ his friends. Further, Rodgers’ quirks are probably not outside the norm from other fantastically rich 30 something’s from Southern California. They just get amplified by the media to create drama and generate clicks.
