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Like any corporation teams, even the Mets, have budgets for their divisions: baseball operations, non-baseball operations, etc. Within those Divisions there are budgets for each department like players, a budget for coaches and staff, a budget for scouting, etc. What’s most likely is Stearns heard Counsell’s ask realized it wasn’t going to work within their constructs and moved on to the next candidate. That the ‘24 Cubs are going to pay Counsell 8 million to manage, plus the multi-millions Ross is owed to not manage and the salaries of the coaches from Ross’s staff that are let go is what is really surprising outside of the clandestine nature of the process and Counsell’s willingness to put a fellow manager out of work in order to get what he wanted.
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Counsell had no problem putting a knife in the back of a fellow manager in seeking his job, while also trying to reset the market for what mangers get paid. He’s out for one person and one only. Some guy. I’m sure he’ll keep up with his Whitefish Bay crowd from his condo in the Gold Coast in Chicago.
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With zero ability to choose their own staff, it probably rules out anyone externally. That Pat Murphy is keeping his options open reminds me a bit of Dave Stewart who immediately quit on the Brewers once his pal Davey Lopes was fired. So yeah, maybe Rickie Weeks, McKniven, or one of those special assistants to the GM (which I think was Counsell’s position before manager). -
People say these types of things but it’s not true. There’s always a #1 favorite. Just like dating 2 girls at the same time; one eventually beats out the other as your favorite.
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Counsell made it clear he wanted the market to dictate what his next contract was and got his wish. All the rest is just noise. He’s no different than 99% of MLB free agents — they don’t really care where they play as long as it’s the most money. I don’t think the Brewers are being cheap either. Such huge numbers get thrown around in sports it all seems like fake money, but at the end of the day it’s real dough going in his pocket for someone who gets a lot of credit when the team has good talent and wins and gets fired when they have a lack of talent and lose.
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The last manager the Brewers hired with experience was Ken Macha, and it was a flop, so likely whomever is hired for ‘24 will be a rookie manager especially with a rebuild/retool/whatever you want to call it coming in ‘25. Of course, that being said Matt Klentak just joined the Brewers FO and he was the one who first hired Gabe Kapler as manager. Kapler also spent one year as a Brewer.
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Molitor. Still just 67, managed a small market club before; former MOY. Prestige hire.
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‘14-‘17 Rays lost 343 games, The hitters were mostly all journeyman: Logan Morrison, Brad Miller, Forsythe, Loney. Maybe not a traditional tank job because of their young starting pitching, but clearly not built to compete. anyways, back to Counsell, the best way for him to make as much money as possible as a manager is to have multiple competing offers on the table. The immediate outlook, for either team on the field isn’t that terrific which suggests, as always, this is about money nothing more.
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5 million dollars a year surely goes farther in Wisconsin than New York City, but come on Counsell made 20+ million dollars just as a player before adding millions more as a manager, he can live comfortably in any city in the world.
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Certainly a possibility, but not a given. Also, the Dodgers gambles on both Nelson and Knebel came up snake eyes. You have to keep Woodruff’s position in perspective. As long as he’s Brewers property he won’t know what other teams would do, and probably has to wait until all the free agent chips fall. Moreover, if the Brewers have guaranteed money on the table to allow him to rehab and come back, he’d have to have big cojones to turn it down believing he could get better elsewhere .
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But Woodruff is also in a no-win situation. There’s no guarantee any team is going to give him a major league deal for 2024 (let alone 2025) when he’s not going to pitch. Both being in a bad spot, I imagine Woodruff will sign a 2 year extension with a club/mutual option for ‘26. They can pay him a small guarantee in ‘24, then the 12 or so million in ‘25 and the mutual/club option can be at market rate salary for ‘26 with a substantial buyout; so if Woodruff is healthy and all the way back both parties can benefit, and if he’s not the Brewers still did him right and were able to spread the money out over multiple seasons.
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Maybe they tried and no team was willing to part with anything the Brewers considered worthwhile.
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Nice rooftop deck. West Loop? Ukrainian Village? Looks like it cost some good coin, but terrific view.. well done.
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On the other hand, Counsell was handed a roster consisting of nearly all below league average hitters, and a bullpen with mostly castoffs and minimum salary guys, had his star pitching rotation gutted for most of the year yet managed that group to 92 wins. Pretty enticing achievement. He probably leaves one way or the other due to lack of interest in presiding over another rebuild and/or money.
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Isn’t that the way it works? Once they’ve taken a player group as far as they can most GMs and managers do not stick around for the inevitable rebuild. In fact it’s probably for the best to get a new manager to preside over a group of players who will likely be significantly different than the squad we’ve gotten to know 2018-2023.
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The bottom of the 9th in a playoff game and the best they got is Montesario?
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Some bite at the apple; an offense that made the pitching staff work south out a safety net. Should have sold you n an attempt to add the next Caroll and Gallen
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Instant replay in baseball is stupid.
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The most recent rumors are Counsell intends to manage in 2024, so the family concerns seemingly would have no bearing on him leaving Milwaukee. Therefore it is all about money, and the direction of the team. Franconia presided over a handful of bad teams in a Cleveland but was well paid to do so.
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It’s about money nothing more nothing less. Counsell given his tenure and success likely feels he deserves to be amongst the highest paid managers. The Brewers no doubt would love to have him back but “at the right price” which is probably less than what the top managers are paid.
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Will CC finally win his first MOY Award?
Jopal78 replied to Brewcrew82's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Skip Schumaker probably now wins NL MOY. He took mostly the same group of Marlins from 93 losses in ‘22 to potentially 86 wins and the #2 wild card this year. Counsell got robbed of the award by Schildt Snitker and arguably Kapler. This year Schumaker got more out of less. Counsell still has mostly the same group that won 95 games in ‘21. -
No team is going to give a 31+ year old who has missed 38 of 51 games (‘21-‘23) with 5 operations on a knee any sort of guarantee. I doubt Bakhtiari puts his body through the grinder for the veteran minimum. (Remember Urlacher refused a 2.5 million dollar deal from the Bears as not worth the punishment to his body, defacto ending his career). Thus, despite Bakhtiari saying he’s not retiring, it’s likely the end of the line.
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Walker has played in about 60 games between college and the pros, with countless practices. He knows he can’t be doing that, but Walker is quickly proving he’s a knucklehead incapable of playing smart football. Nixon is another one who hurt the team bringing kicks out of the end zone and barely making the 20 yard line.
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Well, they probably would’ve cut him had they not given him a 2nd round tender. Such is the career of undrafted players: he has strength and size but after coaching him up the best they could he’s a fringe roster player.
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Took one half of a game to move Left Tackle to the Packers biggest area of need.
