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How is Jones (number 45) not ejected for the Falcons when he did a clear hit to the head of one of our lineman in the scuffle after Rodgers was hit going to the ground? The Packers have gotten the short end of the stick all season and how a cheap shot like that wasn’t called blows my mind.

I don’t really see a payroll issue if we were to sign Brantley. He is projected to get 3/$45 million, which is not locking us into a long term contract by any means if he can be had for that price. Letting Schoop walk makes this a much more realistic option. If the Brewers were to trade Thames or Anderson on top of already letting Schoop leave, there would be plenty of room to add Brantley to the roster. Brantley would be a big addition to the lineup. Having a guy like him at the top of the order with Cain and Yelich would be huge in helping build a more consistent offense.

Check out Bumgarner's last 2 years. He's not good away from home in arguably the best pitcher park in baseball. He strikes hitters out at a barely higher clip than Chacin, his xFIP/FIP are barely better than Chacin. He has the repertoire to go later into the game than Chacin so I would definitely take him over Chacin but he's not that good anymore. If the Giants give him away for a few middling prospects, I'll take it. If not, pass. I think saying that Bumgarner is “not that good anymore” is a little bit of a stretch. He would immediately be our number 1. He isn’t the pitcher he used to be, but maintaining being a top 5 pitcher in baseball for an entire career isn’t really sustainable. I think it’s safe to say he’s still a top 15-20 pitcher in the game and that’s pretty valuable.

Looks like the NBA could be reaching out to the Bucks in regards to Giannis stating that he is going to punch Hezonja in the groin next time if he steps over him. This is in regards to Hezonja stepping over Giannis on Saturday after Giannis tried to block his dunk and fell to the court. When asked about it two days later, Giannis said “What I said, I meant it. I’m a person that I don’t take words back.” He went on to say it was about pride, but that he also needs to word stuff better. I’ve always thought that stepping over players was a little much. If you want to stare them down after a dunk, fine. But for me, stepping over them crosses a line. Good for Giannis for taking exception to it and standing by what he said.

Sounds like putting Shaw back to third isn’t his top choice and that he would like to see him remain at second base. To me, it sounds like he’s looking at someone else to play third base, which I am all for. The lineup needs a shakeup since they were still fairly inconsistent this past season.

I would think that there will be another solid prospect or two heading to the Mariners with Crawford. It’ll be interesting to see who else is involved in the return.

I wonder if his left leg injury from earlier in the year is still causing him some issues? Might not be in too much pain, but if it is tight or just “doesn’t feel right”, throwing could be uncomfortable. Him needing to throw off of his back leg all the time and not planting his injured leg would make sense why the majority of his missed throws this season are left short.

On the bright side, we can get high draft picks and possibly draft a difference maker if we select in the top 10. Could always look to trade up from there to one of the top spots and draft a beast to help on defense. I know the offense is the issue. I think a lot of that will be corrected with working with the young guys and giving them experience since they are rookies. The O-Line needs help and the defense needs a big difference maker. Too bad we didn’t get Mack. That type of talent covers up other issues on defense.

The trade makes sense for both sides. The Mets cleared a couple short term bad contracts, and got Cano along with an All-Star closer. The Mets still owe Cano $100 million over 5 years. The Mariners cleared a large contract that they did not want to carry through their rebuild and acquired a couple highly regarded prospects, but did give up their All-Star closer. The main reason for this trade was to clear Cano’s contract and allow them to come out of their rebuild with a ton of money to spend. Laying out the value of the transferred contracts shows why the Mariners wanted to do the deal. I will put the $20 million that the Mariners gave to the Mets under the 2019 season. 2019: $41 Million instead of $24 Million 2020: $13 Million instead of $24 Million 2021: $0 instead of $24 Million 2022: $0 instead of $24 Million 2023: $0 instead of $24 Million If Diaz stays healthy, he will probably cost around $10 Million in 2021 and 2022 which was not factored in to the layout above. The Mariners did this so they can do a complete tear down and not be hampered by a massive contract when they are coming out of their rebuild. If they have a fast rebuild similar to the Brewers and are competing again in 2021, they won’t be concerned about having Cano for 3 years and $72 Million still on the books. This is where the value of the trade really is. This should be relatable to some here since we carried Braun through a rebuild and now that we are contenders again (back tracking to the start of the 2017 season) we are paying Braun $72 million over 4 years. I love Braun and appreciate everything he has done for our franchise, but it makes it difficult having a lot of money tied down on an aging player even if they are still productive. This trade works for both sides since the Mets now have a short window to be World Series contenders and the Mariners got good young prospects and have no long term contracts holding them back once they are through with their rebuild.

Per JP Morosi

LeMahieu has played strictly second base the past four seasons. Signing him to anything beyond a one year deal with Hiura waiting in the wings wouldn’t make much sense as he would lose a significant amount of playing time. Having a guy receive limited at bats, but getting approximately $10 million isn’t the best use of finances.

I don't believe it was a "comment" though - I believe it was an answer to a question from a reporter. It wasn't in a press release or any official statement, it was something that he said to a reporter who likely asked a question. Tomayto, tomahto. It was something he did not have to say to a reporter. The entire baseball world realizes his mistake. Him taking a shot at the parting player (to me) does nothing. People rally around this taking accountability thing. He can take accountability by just realizing it was a bad trade, non-tendering him, and finding us an actual infielder that will help us win games. That is what I would like to see out of the GM. The comment is a little odd to me as well. Saying it “was a bad deal and that’s on me” seems like a little bit of a shot at Schoop. We talk a lot about “small samples” and Schoop had a total of 124 at bats with the Brewers. At the time of the trade, he was uncomfortable leaving the Orioles since he was with them his entire career up to that point since he was signed by them at the age of 16. Some people don’t transition as easily as others. Just for reference, Paul Goldschmidt was hitting .198 through 172 at bats to start his 2018 campaign. He finished the year at .290. I’m not saying Schoop is the type of player Goldschmidt is, but players go through extended slumps at some point in their career and Schoop happened to go through it while with us. I was hesitant about the Brewers tendering a contract to Schoop, but he’s a former all star who is only 27. He is a much better player than a .200 hitter for less than a quarter of a season’s worth of at bats.

That's still an extremely small sample. LHB's have a career OPS of .583 against him. He is NOT a LOOGY who can't get lefties out. It just comes off as being mad because baseball happened and a handful of LHB's reached base against him at a bad time. He had a 2.43 era on the year with a 2.95 FIP and 1.26 WHIP. He faced more RHB's (though few of them were dangerous, I assume) than LHB's and held them to a .604 OPS. He allowed 7 singles and 3 walks in 8 innings in the regular season with the Brewers: Daniel Murphy - single to RF Zobrist (bats both, slightly better against LHP's) - walk Jeimer Candelario (bats both, much better against LHP's) - single to CF Patrick Wisdom (RHB) - single Matt Carpenter - walk Corey Dickerson - single Joey Votto - single Brandon Crawford - walk Zobrist - single Mark Reynolds - single He gave up 3 singles and a walk in 1 inning in the playoffs (let's judge his value based on 1 inning!!): Yasmani Grandal (bats both, better against RHP's) - single Joc Pederson - single Manny Machado (RHB) - intentional walk Max Muncy - single In case it's not totally obvious, the problem is that he faced some extraordinarily talented LHB's and some dangerous switch-hitters and RHB's as well. The other problem is judging him on an absurdly small sample. You can make the case that the presence of good switch-hitters and the rarity of having 2 or more LHB's in a row in the batting order makes LOOGY's a waste of a roster spot, but it comes off as really spoiled and petulant to act like Cedeno didn't do his job. No LHP gets every single LHB out every single time. Not even Hader. And definitely not when it includes the guys listed above. This is a really good post. I felt that for the most part, Cedeno did his job. The issue was that the few times he didn't were pretty big moments. Still, I am very surprised that he was non-tendered, given how the Brewers like to play matchups, and the dearth of lefty relievers currently available but on the roster and in the upper minors. Right now not only is Hader the only non-injured lefty on the active roster, he's the only one of the 40-man, with Daniel Brown probably the only other lefty who is even moderately close to being a major league pitcher. I suppose Suter stands a small chance of pitching a little by the end of 2019, but Torres-Costa is likely out the whole year, and Ramirez is a free agent. It wouldn't surprise me to see them go after a lefty starter, and at least 1-2 lefty relief arms, along with several minor league free agent NRI-types. If I'm a lefty reliever looking for a job, the Brewers have to be a prime candidate. Zach Britton and Andrew Miller are two solid lefty options for Stearns to target this winter. Miller probably has more appeal since he is used to pitching multiple innings. Having him and Hader to flip flop games would make for an awesome season. Having those two and Jeffress, Knebel, and possibly Woodruff would make for a very dominant bullpen. I see Burnes making the rotation this season and keeping Woodruff in the bullpen since he seemed to really embrace that role.

Stearns is probably shopping Schoop like crazy trying to get anything he can in a trade before the arbitration tender/non-tender deadline tonight at 7. Today will be a very interesting day for Brewers fans.

If Schoop is non-tendered, I would think that Stearns has a different idea in mind of what to do with second base. Maybe he is looking at signing someone like Dietrich or Gonzalez? Is Shaw going to play second all year and we sign or trade for a third baseman? Could Hiura actually start the season at second base for the Brewers even though Stearns stated that would not be happening? If Schoop is on the move, it’ll be interesting to see what happens the next few months.

I’ve seen OF prospect Jarred Kelenic (Wisconsin native and 6th overall pick in 2018) and RHP prospect Justin Dunn as being rumored to be part of a return to the Mariners. They are ranked 62nd and 89th respectively in MLB’s top 100 list. If they could get those two and save something like $100 million over 5 years, I could see the appeal from the Mariners’ standpoint.

His injury history is why I wouldn’t give up Hiura or Burnes in a trade for him. Hiura’s bat is too special to be moved. His hitting tool makes his floor as high as any player we’ve had in years. If he taps into more power, he could be a .300 hitter that hits 30 home runs while being one of the premier second baseman in the game. I see Burnes being a staple in our rotation for 5 or 6 years. Having him pitch for cheap the next three seasons before his arbitration years is what will allow us to spend big elsewhere. He is the first legit pitching prospect we have had since Gallardo. Moving him now seems counter-productive.

We were a good match last offseason as well and that never materialized. Santana is a glove-like fit for that team. I hope it does this offseason. I personally would prefer Bauer of the 3 options they seem to be dangling as I think his acquisition cost would be the lowest. Bauer makes the most sense to me as well. Had a big breakout season last year and is just entering his prime. He will be turning 28 prior to the 2019 season. Figuring out his value could be tough as he was a solid, but not elite pitcher prior to last season.

I see our opening day payroll being between $100-$105 million and increasing to around $115 million by season’s end this season after trades and other roster moves. In a couple years from now, I think our payroll will be around $130 million as we add more high end talent and make a strong push to win a World Series.

Cervelli would be a nice addition that probably wouldn’t cost too much. He would be a good option to bring back on a two year deal next offseason as well.

This is simply not the case. If teams are in a position to contend come mid-July they are more willing to overpay via trade for a postseason run. Because of this, there is generally a hotter market for the rental player amongest contending teams. Also, in Bumgarner's specific case, he's coming back from a injury/decline, so if he has a monster, bounce back to form first half, his trade value will skyrocket from where it's currently at. A monster bounce back first half is the only way he might get a similar return at the deadline to what he probably can get now. A reminder any trade now, the team can make a QO to MB. Traded at the deadline eliminates the QO, so there would be no comp pick. You need a perfect storm to happen to get a Cubs style overpay at the deadline, it's much smarter for the Giants to trade now than hope for the perfect storm in July. This. A lot can go wrong for the Giants by holding onto him. His stock now is the highest it’ll be. If he pitches well the first half, they would get a similar return at the deadline. If he pitches poorly or gets injured, they won’t get much if anything. Holding onto him would be a high risk, low reward type move.

1. Keston Hiura 2. Zack Brown 3. Corey Ray 4. Tristen Lutz 5. Brice Turang 6. Troy Stokes Jr. 7. Lucas Erceg 8. Jacob Nottingham 9. Mauricio Dubon 10. Micah Bello 11. Aaron Ashby 12. Jake Gatewood 13. Braden Webb 14. Joe Gray 15. Trey Supak 16. Clayton Andrews 17. Je’Von Ward 18. Marcos Diplan 19. Weston Wilson 20. Chad McClanahan 21. Yeison Coca 22. Cody Ponce 23. Payton Henry 24. Mario Feliciano 25. Larry Ernesto 26. Trent Grisham 27. Eddie Silva 28. Joey Matulovich 29. Carlos Rodriguez 30. Caden Lemons

He does have a no trade, but the amount of teams on it decreases each season. The structure of the no trade is: 2018- Full no trade 2019- 15 team block 2020- 7 team block 2021 and 2022- 5 team block He could be moved this offseason hypothetically. If he is still productive in a year or two, he could be a trade candidate to get out of his contract. Not saying they should, but the door is open on the possibility

The second quote is from a different thread. I find it highly unlikely that the Brewers will be signing both guys. I could see one of them being of interest to Milwaukee, specifically Dietrich, but not both ending up here. I am curious why you believe that the Brewers will be signing Dietrich on top of signing Asdrubal Cabrera?

According to JP Morosi on MLB Network, trade talks surrounding Madison Bumgarner is that “some pretty in-depth conversations about trading Bumgarner are happening right now”. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him on the move very soon, either at the winter meetings or at some point prior to that.